A Little Castling Rule!

Submitted by yavuz1990 on Fri, 05/30/2008 at 11:11am.

Look at the position on the left, can black do a queenside castle(0-0-0)?

I asked this question in my school and they anwered NO, because the Knight at d7 holds the b8 square. If your answer is NO too, then you are wrong. Black can do 0-0-0, because the king does not pass b8 while castling. The king passes e8, d8, c8... so white must hold one of these squares to stop the castling.

Yes, black can 0-0-0, but what difference does that make??? It doesn't make a difference in most games, but it does here. Black should 1. ... 0-0-0 here to get an equal position. Another choice is 1. ... Bd6?! 2.Bxd6 Kxd7 but king remains on an open line which could be dangerous...

WARNING: As some comments say, 1. ... 0-0-0 is wrong. The correct move was Bc6. I'm sorry for the mistake...


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Comments:

by figrock - 10 months ago
United States
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Thanx Wrenn...

by plane129 - 11 months ago
ca United States
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easy rule

by Wrenn - 14 months ago
Massachusetts United States
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It seems like we are discussing applications of the rules for castling without ever actually making them clear, or what castling itself is clear.

Prerequisites:

1. The King cannot have moved.

2. The Rook cannot have moved.

3. There must be no pieces in between the King and the Rook.

 

Castling:

1. Move the King two squares to the left or right.

2.Move the Rook on the opposite side of the King.

 

Cautions:

1. The King cannot castle out of check.

2. The King cannot castle through check.

3. The King cannot castle into check.

by Chesser777 - 17 months ago
Belgium
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Emily, the knight cant attack f8 so i think u mean the bishop?

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Emily, after Bxf8 then black will be up a piece. 


by amrita1 - 17 months ago
Amravati India
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Thanx for posting such an article,which is very useful  to the learners of this game like me,who are ignorant about many such rules!
by _emily - 17 months ago
Michigan United States
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"On 1...0-0-0 White should play 2.Nxb6+ axb6 3.Kxg2 winning a pawn."

Why not 2.NxF8?

Then after 2...Bc6 (to trap the knight and keep from losing a piece) white has two appealing options: 3.Nxe6 (which isolates a black pawn) or 3.NxH7 which prevents black from castling and moves the H8 rook to a weak position.


by NM GreenLaser - 17 months ago
Chester, NY United States
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Viktor Korchnoi asked the arbiter, O'Kelly, about the castling rule in his Candidates Match in 1974 against Anatoly Karpov. It was in game 21 on move 18. Korchnoi then played 0-0 with his rook on h1 attacked by a bishop on d5 (his g-pawn was on g3). Another game, Yuri Averbakh-CJS Purdy, Australian Championship 1960, saw Averbakh claim 14...0-0-0 was illegal while White's rook on b1 covered b8. Purdy, without speaking Russian, convinced Averbakh, who spoke no English, that his move was legal. I don't know why Yuri was in that event. When I met him in Florida in 2004, he was competent in English.


by Phil_from_Blayney - 17 months ago
Blayney, NSW Australia
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Just out of interest, does anyone know the game and the position where "Even Viktor Korchnoi had to ask about that rule." From what I have read, his was similar to this posting, as a young player he had been incorrectly informed about castling and just happened to have a similar position in the game concerned. Even though he thought he could castle, he decided to play it safe and asked the arbiter to be sure.


by yavuz1990 - 17 months ago
Istanbul Turkey
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peterpogi

BUT YOU CAN CASTLE IN THIS POSITION!!!


by peterpogi - 17 months ago
MELBOURNE Australia
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well if you can not castle then do not castle
by Chesser777 - 17 months ago
Belgium
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Its not castle in check. if black castles queenside the square that the white knight has control over is behind the black king. Remember that at castling the king only moves 2 squares to left or right!
by jack1986 - 17 months ago
Forres Scotland
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i dont understand.  You can't move into check so how can castling into check be legal?

 


by NM GreenLaser - 17 months ago
Chester, NY United States
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On 1...0-0-0 White should play 2.Nxb6+ axb6 3.Kxg2 winning a pawn.

On 1...Bd6 2.Bxd6 Kxd7 3.Be5+ wins a piece.

Black should play 1...Bc6 2.Ne5 Bb7 and if 3.Nc4 Rc8 with the idea of Be7 and 0-0.

On the castling rule you are correct. Even Viktor Korchnoi had to ask about that rule.


by Chesser777 - 17 months ago
Belgium
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1. ... Bc6
 

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