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Very nice game! Thanks for sharing...

Dear jlueke,

Let us wait and see opinion of every one.  More on this when I review Moskaleko's book on the Budapest. Then it would be good to see how the practical experience of our own friends tallies with his positions. if you are too serious about preparation,do try to get UltraCorr3 CD.It has 5000+ games on Budapest as I mentioned before. Detailed annotations are for about 20 games only. But they are good.

Hi chessbibliophile.

4. Nf3 Nc6 does allow 5. Bf4 likely followed by Bb4+ 6. Nbd2 (or Nc3) and white gaining the bishop pair in return for the pawn.

But doesn't Nc6 for black seem a bit slow?  I mean if you're going to play a gambit why not amp up the pressure?  Granted that after 5. Bf4 Bb4+ 6. Nbd2 Nc6 7.a3 Ngxe5 there is a mating trap for black if white captures the bishop.

But Bc5 on move 4 seems more pressing for black to me.

The same with with white playing a3 b3 Bb2, just a little slower than I like

Keep going guys, there are lots of traps & pitfalls.

Yes Kostis I miscalculated, you are definitly right... Well as I said you are better player then me so you really find better moves then I did. My idea was to show basic structure and idea how to use Budapest gambit. I must admit that I never calculate very much but play by the feeling (I do not recomend that, and I know its bad thing, but there is no purpose of lying you guys) so some times I go astray after long combination. Also my theoretical knowledge is not very deep, I know some main lines and everything else is improvisation. I cant really give you good advices as you are just better then me, but I think that game is quite good for worse player then me to have some idea what to do if they want to play the Budapest. Once again thanks for your comments, you should consider to write some article your self, as you really give some good advices. In other words this little discusion really "open my eyes" and thank you for that. And I want to say something in the end, this is expresion from my country "Its easy to be a general after the battle", my point is that if white new my idea he would probably play good moves to stop it. I hope that you learn something from me, because I really benefite from your comments.

I quite agree with Beroz that the right answer to Nxf3+ is gxf3 and white must be quite better but not somthing more. Even though in your variation 10. Qxf3 Nd4 11. Qd1 c6 I think that after 12.Nd5 cxd5 Bxd4 white has quite a pleasant plus as he has a really superior pawn structure.

In your variation concerning the f4 pawn move I believe you've just miscalculated something. after Rf3 black can just capture the free pawn with Nxe3 and then win further material as the queen and the Night on d4 are hanging. I believe that blacks position after Ng4 or Nd3 is completely winning. for example Ng4 Bxg4 Qxe3+ Kh1 Bxd4 Nxd4 -+

hope that I'm not mistaken

Kostis

Dear jleuke,

The variation 4.Nf3 Nc6 allows the option of 5.Bf4.

4…Bc5 5.e3 closes only one diagonal for the bishop.He should be developed on b2 after playing b3.

First I want to say thanks for all those nice comments. Regarding my spelling, I was writting this article very quickly so I didnt have time or will to put it trough the Spell Checker, and besise that I dont really care is my spelling right or wrong cause my only concern is that my article is understandable.

Now about questions Beroz asked. Well 4. e4 is I think most agresive white response to this setup, but I am not really afraid of that move, I think that structure would arise similiar to the structure of Alekhine defense, but less favorable for white. Regard blacks h4 move against whites e4 respond, I dont really think that its corect. Its good suprise weapon, but I am not really familiar with this line. I have watched only 2 GM games with that move, and black lost both games. Of course we are not GMs and our defensive tehniques are not so refined so we can play openings which in GM world is consider bad. It would be quite nice to see few games with that line with players under 2000 fide rating.

Other question was about 9. g pawn trust? I must admit that I didnt really understood what are you refering, could you post board setup so I can see what do you mean... I will answer imedietly after that.... Thanks in advance

I enjoyed the game and the commentary. I think after a certain point white began making serious blunders due to the pressure and black's strong positions.

Love your clear concise thoughts. Nice annotation.

A note to white players who don't want to put up with this or Albin's counter gambit.  Take a page from Ed Lasker and interpose 2 Nf3 after d4.

nice article, need to improve spelling

How does 4 Nf3 allow for the possibility of Bf4 later?  If 4 Nf3 Bc5 then the required 5 e3 blocks in the bishop.

Dear friends,

I shall make a few tentative points:

1)4.Nf3 is the more flexible move as it preserves the option of bishop to f4 or any other suitable square like b2.

2)4.e4 can be met by 4...Nxe5 5.f4 Nec6 6.be3 Bb4+ 7.Nc3 Qh4+ !? 8.g3 Bxc3+ 9.bxc3 Qe7 as in Keres-Eckhardt, corr. 1933. For the record, I should mention that Keres lost.

There are 5000+ Budapest games in the corr.database. Probaby we should look for more detailed answers there. 

My questions go out of course to Kosmeg as well.

Hi again and thanks for your replies!

a) According to the chess.com database 4. Lf4 is slightly more popular than 4. Nf3 but I see your point on having the bishop on b2.

b) I think your analysis is quite correct, the only problem is that white will hit back with the g-pawn (in the ninth move)! Then he can play Nd5 without any problems and will have, as a far I can see, a fairly comfortable position, am I wrong?

c) White can also play 4. e4 which seems to me a very strong move. Black can than respond with the wild h5 or the safer Nxe5, where white then can play f4 and after that Nf3, do you have any comments on these lines?

Best regards

Beroz

Dear friends,

I have received a book,The Fabulous Budapest Gambit by Viktor Moskalenko for review. Probably this book could answer some of the questions raised here. On the 3rd move there is a choice, 3..Ne4.This is preferred by Lev Gutman who has analysed it in NIC Yearbooks 91 and 92. A parallel analysis of this line has also appeared in Kaissiber, a German magazine.Currently there is a debate between Moskalenko and Gutman on this line. It is yet to be resolved.

Hi everyoune and thanks for your comments I will try to answer both Berouz and Kosmeg because their questions are completly on place. I dont have real theoretical knowledge about any opening (I play chess for about year and 8months) I know basics and everything else is preety much improvisation, and I dont use computer to analise positions, I am maybe wrong but because I am still learning about the game, so I think that its much better for my game improving to try myself to figure out positions and came up with ideas.

And now about questions:

1) Berouz ask is 4. Bf4 better then Nf3

Well I think that it is not better, because I really like that black squere bishop on long diagonal for white, also you should notice that white cant really keep the pawn, only question is when will he give the pawn back. Also if you play Bf4 you will be exposed for check on b4. Its definitly playable, but I think its not better. However its a metter of taste.

2) Nc3 is the best move in that position, it really creates problems for black, I am painfully aware of that move. I had an idea, but to be honest I dont really think that it was a good one. I will show you what I had in mind, but nicely for me I didnt have to play that move.