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missing theory in openings

Submitted by leo8160 on Wed, 07/02/2008 at 4:53pm.


there is something strange about opening theory , maybe its due to lack of my knowledge (which is most probably the case) but at least its not found in many books about the subject..... now let me share my question with   you in a usual queens pawn opening and black intention of kings indian reply 1 d4 Nf6 the main line goes with 2 c4 which is the usual reply by white according to most books to allow 3 Nc3 without blocking the c-pawn , then the main line continue as follows 1d4 Nf6    2c4 g6    3Nc3 Bg7    4e4  d6    5Nf3 o-o        now white aims r very clear to make a wide centre (sometimes he plays 5 f4  to make 4 pawns attack) very fine and understandable.............now look at the first moves in the pirc defense  1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. Nc3 g6 4. f4 Bg7 5. Nf3 O-O   which is considered by far the majority of first moves in pirc as u notice black makes the typical first moves except that d6 preceeds Nf6 (which is clear bec in pirc its a kings pawn) ....now the question why on earth u dont find in the literature the usual white reply of c4 based on the same idea that he is willing to make wide centre and makes c4 before Nc3 so as not to block the pawn ? its very rare to find this move in pirc ....what is the difference? black actually makes the same basic moves exactly , why dont we find that as major variation at least in pirc ? is it something psychological that players who will to play king pawn dont want a semi closed opening that KID creates?


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by TwoMove - 2 years ago
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1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 if now 3.c4 would drop a pawn.

by figrock - 3 years ago
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Good observation..! Undecided

by marksimkin - 3 years ago
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The Pirc has a worse reputation than the Kings Indian and from a objective point of view white should be happier to play against the pirc, so it is logical that white does not transpose(if he could)
by Britneyfan - 3 years ago
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I suspect they'll call it by another name, and that it is actually played, it's just they'll classify it as a KID
by leo8160 - 3 years ago
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thanks nicovalents i guess its more psychological in general ....but if we talk about the database which actually includes the grandmasters and super grandmasters and world champions and those usually are not confined to open or closed systems as we can see they play e4 and play d4 and all the semiopened and semi closed in between , what i am wondering not that i am not facing in my play but as a database among top players......anyway thanks for the comment since i believe this is at least obviously whats going on
by nicovalens - 3 years ago
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"is it something psychological that players who will to play king pawn dont want a semi closed opening that KID creates? "

Certainly, after 1.e4 d6 2.d4 Nf6 if White don't want to play Nc3 then :

3.f3 and black can choose to transpose to Saemisch KID or Old indian. Something he's very familiar while a e4-player isn't.

Or 3.Bd3 but then after 3...e5, if white wants to keep a pawn on d4, he has to play c3 and forget about c4.

3.Nc3 seems much more promising.


by aidenbowen - 3 years ago
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interesting

 


 

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