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Why Fischer-Random is not the future of chess

  • FM FM_Eric_Schiller
  • | Nov 25, 2011
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  • | 85 comments

from time to time we hear complaints that chess is doomed because opening theory has been exhausted. These complaints have come from amateur players and professionals alike. In response, many people have proposed changing the rules of chess in some fashion. These changes have never proven popular and have never established an alternative to our classical game. The latest attempt is called Fischer random chess which involves players choosing their own initial setup of the pieces. For some reason it is claimed that this would avoid the supposedly problems of computer opening.analysis.

 This of course is not the case. The alternative form of chess, as with all alternative forms, is something which is once again solvable mathematically, and therefore computers can work it out. At best it can buy a little time. However, it does not address the underlying concerns for the sport.

 In fact it is not at all true that openings have been worked out and we see interesting innovations played at virtually every competition at every level of chess. Furthermore humans do not have the capacity to memorize all of the information that is available from computers without cheating, and therefore the sporting aspect of chess remains intact. I see absolutely no advantage in changing the initial placement of pieces. But I do see many disadvantages.

 One of the great joys of chess is that virtually every game includes some new move a concept that is never been played before. It is true that these innovations take place later and later in the game thanks to the huge amount of information that has been amassed. To me the opening remains one of the great joys of chess and coming up with a new idea is one of its greatest pleasures. It is an inherent part of the game that we compare our play with what has come before and see where the paths diverge.

 The so-called Fischer random chess simply abandons this glorious aspect of the game and offers nothing to affect the sporting aspect. If people are concerned with too many draws there are various small improvements that have been tested and some of them are proving quite popular, including the elimination of agreed draws early in the game and revised scoring systems and recent propsals for replays at faster time controls. However, the percentage of games drawn in top competition is not that much different now than it has been in the past. It is simply part of the game of chess that the game begins on a more or less level playing field and that the result of a draw is hardly surprising.

 I think there is a much better way to increase the sporting aspect of chess and keep the game interesting at all levels. The problem to me, is not that it is possible to prepare openings well, but rather that it is possible to fairly easily predict what openings are going to be played in a game and prepare accordingly. This aspect of the game can be eliminated easily enough. If, instead of starting games at the initial position, all games were to begin at a position chosen randomly from a huge set of positions that are evaluated as more or less even, then the aspect of opening preparation is illuminated and sporting nature of chess is increased.

 It is impossible for any human being to memorize all of the chess openings. There is simply too much data. So, if you sit down to play a game and do not know which opening is going to be used, then you must rely more on your own wits and experience. It is true that this introduces some aspect of luck into the game in that you might receive an opening position in opening that you happen to be well acquainted with. However, assuming that database of initial positions is large enough, this will not be a frequent occurrence.

 It is also very important to consider that more openings are considered playable these days than ever in the past because computers have found ways of playing openings previously considered to be inferior. That expands the range of positions that might be used in my come proposed competitive tournaments.

To make things even more interesting, the database can be established so that the positions that are used involved unequal material but about related as reasonably equal objectively. This means, for example, a lot of gambits. If you are present presented with a position where you are upon or in exchange down but have full compensation then the game is inherently interesting.

This proposal is easy enough to implement, it just means creating a database of positions that are suitable for competitive play. There is plenty of room for disagreement about which positions should be included and it would take considerable time for that database to settle down and be established in the professional arena, but I think it is worth experimenting this with this quite soon so that we can get on the path to making professional chess more interesting for spectators and players alike. I think that at first, the quality of the position database will depend on the individual organizers.

I think that this sort of competition is far, far superior to simply shuffling around the pieces at the beginning of the game, until we reach a point where computers have worked out the ideal formations and responses.

I'd like to know what the community thinks of this proposal and would love to see someone step up to the plate and run competitions with serious prizes along the lines suggested here.

Comments


  • 18 months ago

    NM BMcC333

    Hi flyingiguana 

     

    Fischer random is called chess960 for a reason, it increases that many positions.  I don't think your factorial math is correct since there are only mirrored positions.

    http://www.dwheeler.com/essays/Fischer_Random_Chess.html

  • 18 months ago

    swordfish74

    Diyarbekirli: I really admire the Obama's administration since he has realized that spending large amount of money for a space shuttle program is very impractical at these times . Perhaps, I assumed that he realized that there are more important things  to resolve here on earth than making experiments in outer space. As I have said before, space exploration is impractical nowadays. Maybe in the distant future this will be suitable only if global economic crisis will stabilize. You said,: "we can open way to space for  third world countries. Its not ridiculous, its pleasure and our goal to reach behind of everything.Opss, this is very ambitious statement and I strongly disagree.  Don't you know that we have limitations in all things? Suppose that there's earth-like in outer space, whom do you think can afford to travel and live there? - only the millionaires and billionaires; and most probably, your rich people are the priorities to board that lucky spacecraft.  

  • 18 months ago

    Diyarbekirli

    Yes.. We spend every penny  to get further ahead. Its never ever enough to spend because future life depend on us. To USA !!!!!!, we can open way to space for  third world countries. Its not ridiculous, its pleasure and our goal to reach behind of everything.USA government never spend  unwise for a continuous space programs and explorations.. You DO NOT know what you  are talking about... stay in your place and please lets play chess in peace.GOD BLESS AMERICA.. !!!Laughing

  • 18 months ago

    swordfish74

    @zombibombi: I don't care if your believer or non-believer of God. For me, continuous studying of the secrets of the universe is purely impractical nowadays.. The top priorities now is to tackle the global concerns of mankind, and most recently is the global crisis aside from global warming. Don't you know that NASA has been budgeted from 1958 to 2008 an amounts to $471.23 billion dollars—an average of $9.06 billion per year! - just to collect data from outer space--This is ridiculous! Unwise government spending for a continuous space programs and/or explorations need to be stopped.. that's why space shuttle program came to a halt. In short, experts need to tackle the current global dilemma we're facing. This is the reality,,you're asleep zombibombi!!!

  • 18 months ago

    flyingiguana

    There are (8*7*6*5*4*3*2*1) / (2 * 2 * 2) = 5040 possible starting positions in Fischer Random, so preparing an opening is ludicrous considering the number of reasonable variations that exist in a single starting position! Grandmasters would have to rely on opening principles and planning to play the beginning.

  • 18 months ago

    OBIT

    Well, I see the Tal Memorial has finished with only 10 decisive games out of the 45 played.  While I agree draws are a part of chess, does anyone here honestly feel a 78% draw ratio is acceptable to anyone who not a hard core fan?  Whether or not you think Fischer Random is a good idea, it is pure foolishness to believe that top level chess can maintain public interest with such a high percentage of draws.  You GMs want sponsors, don't you?

  • 18 months ago

    FM FM_Eric_Schiller

    @davidmelbourne: The point you are missing is that most of the energy a pro puts into a game is researching an opponent and trying to steer the game into a position familiar to yourself but not your opponent. That is what my proposal eliminates. You can't prepare openings because you have no idea what is coming.

  • 18 months ago

    davidmelbourne

    Just plain confused. Computers rule, regardless, surely. They rule in classic, in 960, and in any opening position selected from a database. Assume Mr Schiller's proposal was adopted. Immediately, those positions would be analysed by computers, and simply generate a whole lot more content to try memorise. There is no way round computers.

     

     GMs blast out the first 15-20 moves, to get to the opening position where the chess starts. People like me blast out the first 5-10 moves (at most) before our Book knowledge ends, and the chess starts. This is very analagous to the proposal, in reality. I just dont see the advantage of the proposal, hence my confusion.

  • 18 months ago

    zombibombi

    swordfish I hope you think again your comment about Hawking. He's current position is that there's no need for god to explain anything in our universe especially about the beginning. Throughout time god(s) have escaped from olympus to the skies, from skies to the space and from space to the mystcial "outside of space-time". Modern human doesn't need god anymore to explain our world. That's he's position, and mine also. Outside that he's one of the greatest contributors to science these days. You are just ignorant about his work and clearly don't know much about the subject. Comment about climate change is also stupid. Why aren't you curing cancer and researching on climate change prevention?

     

    Sorry to discourse this. I myself don't feel regular chess boring but I have nothing against 960 or other variations arising more. I'm curious to know what do you think about shogi and it's potential? I think it's one of the most complex and unique chess variants out there. I'm looking for a set and some kind of rule book to get my hands on.

  • 18 months ago

    pathfinder416

    " ... Stephen Hawking ... [is] a cosmologist and physicist. He consumes all of his energies in disproving that God didn't created the universe."

    Double negative omitted or left in, that is a gross misrepresentation of Stephen Hawkings' contribution to science, both past and present.

  • 18 months ago

    Elubas

    Well, choosing if you believe in God is a big thing. It determines whether you devote your whole life to him or not! It's something that everyone should think about, with an open mind!

    I think the topic presented here is legitimate and relevant enough, although that's subject to opinion. It's not curing disease, but neither is a sports article, nor a fashion article, nor a food critic article, nor... and so on.

  • 18 months ago

    swordfish74

    Each time I play chess, I don't bother myself thinking whether my opening is in the "book" or out of the book, whether there's a new idea in it or it is just a mere copycat from other famous chess players. As long as I enjoy playing chess online or otb, I will not consume all of my energies thinking of another kind of chess. Anyway, all of the chess game formats I know is fun to play. When I read this article, what came to my mind is the scientist name Stephen Hawking. He's a cosmologist and physicist. He consumes all of his energies in disproving that God didn't created the universe. Well, that's his opinion, but I'll be happier to watch him on television discussing a more relevant issues like how to overcome global warming or how to tackle globar energy crisis through his scientific approaches. This is also true with this article, I'll be happier next time to read a new ideas about middlegames and endgames. Why bother ourselves if some claimed that chess is doomed? Let's play and enjoy chess either it's a traditional or non-traditional style.Smile

  • 18 months ago

    f7f5

    As always, I like Eric's articles, but I don't really agree. First: I am merely an amateur so I am playing chess just for fun. Is it fun? Yes, of course, that's why I am playing :) . I have no problem whatsoever with thoroughly analyzed theoretical variants as I can usually avoid them if I want.

    Second: I like chess960. I find that when I am playing a correspondence game like on chess.com, I can use load of databases (sometimes people run into an analyse of my own!) and games on the net until at some point I have to ask myself whether it is still me playing. Would I have played like that over the board? NO! Why not? Because I don't know this line/ wouldn't be able to solve the complications/convert the endgame and I only play it because the database/book says it's good, the endgame is won, etc. In chess960, I cannot do this, neither can my opponent - this is fun, but it is a different kind of fun.

    Third: I just hate the idea of starting with *a* position which has been analysed as roughly equal, sorry Eric. I don't care about "roughly equal". I have played the Latvian Gambit for many years, I have played the Colorado gambit, I have tried about everything doubtful. I don't care whether Rybka 4 or whatever would give a winning edge to my opponent, I am playing for fun. (If I would have to make a living, I would probably think differently, and if I got bashed too often it would take the fun out of it, too, but neither is the case.) Starting with a random equal position would really take the fun out of chess for me.

    As for having a bigger board, more and different pieces and so on, there is no need to invent anything new: Try Chu Shogi - a cool game with a long tradition, somewhat chess-like but still with a very different feeling to it. Or even the larger variants like Dai Dai Shogi (a very nice game).

  • 18 months ago

    JPF917

    Been playing the current game for 58 years.  Not playing welll all the time; but playing. I've heard these nonsensical complaints about the game for about 55 years.  In all that time, I haven't seen a worthy replacment arise. 

    Haven't seen any innovations that warranted learning and probably won't before I die. (Hopefully not too soon.)  

    Enjoyed 3D chess when it got popular because Mr. Spock played it on Star Trek.  Bughouse and Fischer Random look like they might be casual fun.

    But, I guess I'll leave them to those who've already gotten so good at, or who are so inept at, the real game that they need to hide somewhere else so no one notices.  Oh, and for those who don't get it, that "so good at" is sarcastic.

  • 18 months ago

    prisonbreak6

    Well, I do not think one should pay for using a famous line, but there definitely should be some form of intellectual property implemented in chess opennings or initial positions. Without it, it may seem like there are too many chess games played, but obviously every new chess player has original openning ideas. That would attract begginners to the sport...

  • 18 months ago

    ncmike2011

    interesting ideas here,I prefer chess as it has always been.But I also enjoy 960 and bughouse. the difference to me is I would never travel 100's of miles and spent my time and money to enter any tournament except for the real thing.

  • 18 months ago

    FM FM_Eric_Schiller

    I agree with many of the commentators that chess doesn't need any changes. I'm just offering acsuggestion for an additioal option. I'm happy with the game as it is, but think the public would enjoy watching to players do battle in randomized openings.

    Variants have been promoted for ages, but none have caught on. In the end, the marketplace must decide. I'm just suggesting we give my proposal some tests.

  • 18 months ago

    NM BMcC333

    There are 2 problems I see with Fischer random chess. 1. 960 is an extremely tiny number to computers that can calculate over a million moves per second. (As Eric notes) 2. It requires a computer to spit out the mirror image positions.

    There is a much better solution if you want to avoid modern opening theory and confuse computers; Benko's pre-chess. Your 1st 8 moves place the back rank where you want them and your opponent does the same. Benko published this novelty in the Bicenteniial chess life, July 1976. A statistician can provide the exact odds, but I think it is at least 8 fatorial (8x7x6 etc, because you start with 8 possible piece placements, then 7) times 8 factorial. 8 factorial is 40,320. 40,320 x 40,320 is 1,625,702,400. At any rate, it is a lot more than 960.

    Eric's solution does address the 1st issue but still requires a computer or some set of cards. It sounds similar to checkers, where they randomize the 1st few moves because the best can draw every game. We are not there yet, so I don't think we need that drastic a solution.

     

    The problem is not really computers solving chess yet. You can see from the comp events online they still blunder. The problem for humans is that computers can use our own databases until the math does get in range for their calcuating ability. Benko's prechess pushes this on both fronts, there is more real math (not a 960 gnat) and less hard drive cheating (comps read from a book when they play, but we can't). Best of all, it is a free solution that allows chess to be played on the same plastic set you can still find for a couple of dollars in a drug store.

    Fischer had a big mouth and was hoping to make money off this batant ripoff of Benko's idea. Benko told me he felt this way, but since Bobby was his friend he kept quiet. Fischer is gone, it is time for the people who want an alternate to classical chess to push a real solution, not a band-aid.

  • 18 months ago

    EricDodson

    I think that the main issue here isn't really technical in nature, but revolves around whether people in general (not merely the comparatively few pro's) find Fischer Random to be fun and therefore worthwhile. Personally, I've just started playing Fischer Random recently, and I really enjoy it.  That's because pretty much every game feels new and fresh -- rather than automatically following ancient, timeworn channels for a dozen moves or more.  With Fischer Random, you can't play the opening robotically; you pretty much have to think from move #1 onward.  And although I still like traditional chess, I'm certainly glad that Fischer Random is gaining popularity.

  • 18 months ago

    pathfinder416

    I agree with Eric that, inevitably, computers will be aimed at any variant that becomes sufficiently popular.

    The only serious variant that has ever interested me is Extinction Chess. It demands the same skills as orthodox chess, and isn't silly the way many variants seem.

    (I'll add that, while I enjoy Bughouse immensely, it's a silly variant.)

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