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Chess Score-Sheet iPhone App

I'll say it quietly, but I've heard rumours that some of the members here at Chess.com play chess games with actual physical pieces made of wood or plastic on a real board. Sounds crazy, but hey, it might just catch on! Wink

If you are one of these pioneers then you will already be aware of a major annoyance - you have to actually write your moves down with a pen on a piece of paper called a 'score sheet'. The ignominy!

Worse still, this piece of paper doesn't sync with anything, so when you want to replay your masterpiece in your own software of choice, you have to decipher your abysmal handwriting and manually input the moves one at a time. Frown

One solution to this would be to buy a Monroi Personal Chess Manager, but that's basically a PDA-type device which you can only use for chess and costs a whopping 359 US Dollars! Yikes!

But wait. If, like me, you have an iPhone, surely there's an app for that?  Well, I hadn't found one until now but the newly released 'Chess Score-Sheet' for the iPhone promises to fill that gap, so I gave it a try.

My first impressions were certainly good. The interface is quite intuitive and easy to use. First I created and saved a profile comprised of my name, rating, picture and email.  When you start to record a new game, you can save the same details for your opponent (apart from the email).  I could just imagine asking my opponent to pose for a picture before the start of the game! Laughing

Setting up a profile...

 

There are two methods for recording moves. The first and easiest is to drag and drop pieces in the 'Board Mode', or alternatively use the 'Pad Mode' to record the moves using three rotating wheels which is much slower.  I don't really see much point in having the 'Pad Mode' at all.

Inputting moves in 'Pad Mode'

 

I tried playing through a few moves and recording a drawn result. Very simple, and you can edit mistakes easily and quickly.  There is an option to save the game which saves a copy on the app, but the real test would be exporting the game in pgn format. I clicked the button in the top left with a envelope icon which lets you send the pgn of the game as an attachment, to the email address you entered (and you can enter other addresses as well).

I then opened the attachment from my webmail on my pc, and it worked! Hooray! The pgn file was read correctly by both the programs I use - Chessbase 10 and ChessCat.

'Board Mode'

 

The app also correctly recognized checkmate, en passant, and didn't let me play illegal moves. Playing through saved games was a bit slow, partly because the arrow buttons are quite small and tricky to press. I would like to see an autoplay option with variable speed setting, and/or buttons to skip 5 moves ahead/back.

There aren't any other piece or board styles to choose, which is a shame. That would be a nice addition because I can't say I'm a fan of the style currently used.

I was also confused by two input boxes when entering the details of a new game. The boxes are opposite 'Section' and 'Time Control' and are pre-filled with zeros. Only by deleting the zeros did I discover that they are for 'Board' and 'Round' respectively. Hopefully this can be fixed easily.

I would also like to see some typical time controls offered as options when you enter something in the 'Time Control' box, rather than just free-form entry of text.  Adding notes would also be a nice addition, and perhaps a way of recording the time on the clocks, if possible.

The New Game screen

 

The developer is apparently working with official chess bodies with a view to getting the app certified for use in official games. If there is enough interest there will also be a version for Android phones.

Overall, I'm pretty impressed with this app. For a first release it's really polished and it does exactly what it says on the tin.  It costs $4.99 in the US iTunes Store, £2.99 in the UK Store. Now, that's not my favourite price i.e. free, but it's a nice app and a whole lot cheaper than buying a Monroi!

Disclosure - I don't have any connection with the developer, but he was kind enough to provide me with screenshots and a free review copy of the app.  You can follow him on Twitter here.

If you regularly play OTB chess games and later input and save them manually in a database on your pc, then this would be a real time-saver and I would definitely recommend it!

Comments


  • 10 months ago

    JoseO

    Is this program still available in the app store? I did a searchn for it but it found another program instead

  • 16 months ago

    Moab2021

    Agreed with Ziryab.  FIDE and USCF rules allow players to record times and draw offers.

  • 16 months ago

    Moab2021

    The reason for #3 below is that a computer must not be consulted during a game, not even to point out illegal moves.   For example, if beginners are playing each other and one of them makes an illegal move, it is up to the opponent to notice the illegal move.  

    If your program won't allow you to enter the move, because it is illegal, then it is acting as an aide or advisor to its user, allowing him to make a claim that he otherwise might not have noticed.   Monroi complies with this.

  • 16 months ago

    TenaciousE

    These recent posts are helpful to the discussion.  At first I was surprised by requirement #3 in Moab's post, but I think I understand the rationale.  I assume the MonRoi complies with requirement #3.

  • 16 months ago

    Ziryab

    I used the app to record one game at a tournament in the fall with intentions to offer some feedback. I became busy and neglected the feedback, but most is covered in the recent comment by Moab 2021.

    I would add that it was difficult not having access to a game score. I had no idea during the game how many moves had been played.

    I also record times and draw offers (the latter per the rules) on paper scoresheets. It would be nice if there was a way to do this through a device.

  • 16 months ago

    Moab2021

    As a long time USCF TD and an amateur futurist, this is the way all tournament recordings will go, if left to the free market, but not if strangled by political favors.  

    I got the free app yChess for my Android, and would be happy to shell out five or ten bucks for a superior interface that links seamlessly with my Chessbase .pgn personal library of games.   As a TD, I would be happy to allow such cell-phone or iPad recording devices in the tournament, given that they meet some important criteria and are not specifically prohibited by USCF or FIDE.  

    Important design considerations:

    1) All other applications and functions of the phone must be shut off by the program, and especially any wifi or mobile phone capacities to connect with other devices.

    2) No sounds, lights, or other signals must come from the device while it is used in a chess tournament.

    3) The program must simply record moves that the user puts into it.   It must not correct illegal moves, announce checks, checkmate, en-passant, etc.

    4) The recording device must be left on the table at all times during the play of the tournament game, and must be clearly visible to the TD and the opponent.  

    5)  If the opponent asks to see a list of moves, as allowed by the rules of play, the screen should quickly toggle to a conventional scoresheet using algebraic notation.

    If your app meets all of these requirements, it would be welcomed in tournaments I run, unless specifically prohibited by USCF or FIDE regulations.

  • 21 months ago

    SonofPearl

    Congrats on getting the 'Staff Pick' vote! What are you planning for the updates?

  • 21 months ago

    pshpilberg

    Also, I am working on some updates.

  • 21 months ago

    pshpilberg

    Thanks again for everyone's support. I just wanted to provide a quick update. The response has been very positive. The app's current average review is 4.5 out of 5. And this week Apple picked it as their Staff Pick, and featured it in iTunes. That's not bad for a something I bootstraped part time. 

  • 23 months ago

    pshpilberg

    Thansk for the support. I have added the "tocuh-touch" input and alternative chess sets to the list of updates, if I can get enough people to buy. The USCF just expilicdly banned phones from tourament play, no doubt in response to me contacting them to ask what they would want to see to get the app certified Undecided

  • 23 months ago

    TenaciousE

    OK, at $0.99 curiosity got the best of me and I bought it.  The interface seems pretty tight.  I don't find the pieces visually attractive but they are workable.  Even though the board display seems to be small, the drag and drop worked pretty well.  An alternative implementation would have been to allow touching the "from" square followed by touching the "to" square, which is what some other chess programs use. 

    Earlier posts mentioned requiring Airplane mode for USCF tournament use.  I think that would be a good feature to add if you decide to update the app.  I think this would give some TDs comfort in allowing the app to be used in tournaments, even if the USCF hasn't approved it.

    Best of luck in your endeavor, particularly in getting the app on the USCF list of approved electronic notation devices.

    SE

  • 23 months ago

    pshpilberg

    I appriciate that settiment. I have a lot of ideas on how to make the app better, and conform to the intent of the rules (like requiring airpane mode to enter tournament mode), but the fact is the USCF and FIDE have more in mind than fairness. Monroi is a sponsor and they obviously have a close relationship. The fact is, I have spent a few thosand making the app and have taken in about $200. I want to see if dropping the price for a few days does anything. Unfortunatly, right now it doesn't make sense to put more into development, which is a shame, because I have a lot of ideas I want to try out.

  • 23 months ago

    shootfilm

    I disagree with dropping the price.  I personally have used the app in multiple states and as many tournaments and watched people download the app in realtime after hearing my explanation.

    I personally think it sucks that the USCF has taken this position.  However, I also believe that there might be a workaround.  I say keep doing what your doing and don't cut your legs off.

    You are the only real alternative to the $350 monroi monster. 

  • 23 months ago

    pshpilberg

    I just dropped the price to $0.99 for a limited time. If price was the issue, it can't be right now Cool

  • 2 years ago

    shootfilm

    Ok. I used the app today in an over the board tournament.  Let me be the first to say, I was able to quickly record my games. For the first time I was able to record the entire game for 3 out of 4 rounds.  The last game was not complete because I got in severe time pressure (less than 2 minutes). 

    The fact that I was able to record up to about 2 minutes of time remaining on my clock should tell you that the app was simple to use.  I spent more time setting up the game information than I did making moves.  I did not use the tab mode or whatever it was called.

    There were a couple times during a couple different games when I had to undo a move. Which worked as expected. I did get prompted to edit a previous move but beyond that it was ok.

    It would be nice if it kept the tournament name information in for you to speed up entry.

    I explained to everyone that I was testing the app and kept the app visible on the table at all times.  Before the round I did start my music playing but never left the app once the game started.  After each round I emailed my opponent a copy of the game. Which I think is a kind gesture.

    The opportunity for someone to do some cheating does exist with these kinda apps.  I could have easily flipped over to shredder or something...

    I think with some more tweaking the app will be a must have for the iOS user.

    I vote "yes."

  • 2 years ago

    Ziryab

    @ shootfilm: Let us know how it goes. Will you tell your opponents about the "help" the device gives?

  • 2 years ago

    shootfilm

    I am running the app on my iPad. I will use it officially in a tournament on Sunday. I agree. Your not supposed to get "check" help or any other official chess logic beyond recording the chess moves. I advocate an alternative to monroi and I am a tournament director/organizer. I recommend this app even with some of it's current limitations.
  • 2 years ago

    pshpilberg

    I actually haven't dealt with that issue. I am thinking of putting in a tournament mode that will only stay active if you disable wi-fi and 3G... airplane mode and no-wife... etc. The mode won't start without checking for that stuff. And the second you leave the app, without entering a result, the game can't be saved. I think that's the way I can handle that. But right now it's academic until the official bodies get over the idea of a smart phone in a tournament game. I'll keep working on the app until then

  • 2 years ago

    bondguy

    How did you get around the fact that the OS won't keep phone calls from taking priority? I looked at creating a similar app a while ago and a developer friend of mine said this is a basic issue with Apple and Android for that matter. And also one that would keep it from making the jump to the tournament level of course and I abandoned it as I thought paying a developer to create an app that I could only use at the club was a bit extravagant.

  • 2 years ago

    TenaciousE

    I use the Stockfish program (with analysis turned off) to notate casual games. This is not acceptable for rated games, however. I like the feature that allows me to email the PGN. I also use Stockfish at tournaments to do post-mortem analysis. Again, I email the PGN to myself and I don't have to re-key the moves when I get home.
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