In response to mikenz7, your quotation of Einstein does not appear to exist. He did say the following, however:

"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."

• Albert Einstein, Gutkind Letter (3 January 1954), "Childish superstition: Einstein's letter makes view of religion relatively clear". The Guardian. 13 May 2008.

drumdaddy - how do we establish what is a 'moral' life if there is no external standard? "Every man does what is right in his own eyes."

True religion is the cure for religious terror.

I repeat - Einstein said, No one knows enough to be an athiest.

@drumdaddy, you are being illogical. You will believe ideas if it supports your beliefs. I have given scientific theory, (you can try the practical example with sleep medication for a month if you like), and you will not even read that because some other site has already set your mindset, and you will not read/listen to anything else. Please let us desist from further dialogue, and peacefully coexist with our own beliefs.

Now it appears that LaskerFan has strayed into advocacy of another area of quackery, homeopathy. It's fake science, you can begin here and then research a whole lot more debunking of this scam. http://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/index.php/homeopathy-and-plausibility/#more-15406

Perhaps to save time when laying out your future silly ideas, LF, be confident that there is no god, no devil, no werewolf, no leprechaun, no unicorn, no zodiac, no chi, no ghosts, no telepathy, no talking to the dead, and no santa claus. So fear not, and lead a good moral life. Peace through atheism, the cure for religious terror. Keep it real, my brothers and sisters.

@drumdaddy,

(1) what part of "controversial" do you not understand?

(2) I did not "represent" it - I just posted a link to Wiki

(3) The link you provided is to a site, whose job is to decry everything they can get hold of - (e.g.: neither Hannemann nor the authors of the site understand how homeopathic medicines work. Hannemann blindly supported it, that site blindly decries it. "Homeopathic" medicine is even there in modern medicine - take Tetanus toxoid injection. You take very small quantity of toxin/chemicals which produce certain symptoms of disease (e.g.: tetanus) and introduce into the body. The body's chemical laboratory produces an antedote to it - it is that antidote which works. Taking very small quanitities of any sleep medication for a long time will produce insomnia. It requires the body's immune system to be healthy for "homeopathic medicine" to work.)

LaskerFan has badly misrepresented Kirlian photography, a natural phenomenon which has been exploited by some charlatans as a tool to extract money from the gullible. http://www.skepdic.com/kirlian.html

To Laskerfan - great summary!

Scientific tools, as we know them, are limited only to the physical world. Processes like Kirlian Photography are controversial, but said to capture some inkling of the psychic/mental world. How then can scientific tools grasp consciousness? We are all conscious, have an "I"-ness, and only die-hard scientific fools think that this consciousness is an accident of nature, and everything can be proved by physical science (by science which means knowledge, yes, but by physical science, no). And this collective consciousness can be referred to as God or coming from Him.

So if there is God, why did He chose to remain hidden, and raise the controversy of His presence? You see, there is no theft in shops with video surveillance, but where there is no overseer, there is plenty. God wants to give freedom of action to everyone (if everyone is really aware of Him, there will be no wrong-doing - and that will spoil His fun!).

Is there a judgement for all our actions? Yes, every action (act of free will influenced by liking, disliking or fear) has a reaction (judgement/karma/virtue-vice). This reaction may come back to us in this life, or later - but never disappears.

Now a question? We have seen that this physical world is enormously complicated (there is no end of fundamental particles, and though we have studied the genome, have yet to fully understand the structure of our cell membrane - the visible universe is eight billion light years across). Why do we assume that the psychic world, and our understanding of God will be simple? We make the common mistake that our Holy Book contains all the informations about God and his methods! As we have lab manuals and operations manuals for equipments, by which our use of the equipments are simplified, the Holy Book(s) are similar simplistic operation manuals by which our behaviour according to the Wish of God is outlined. We need not understand, we need to only follow. Only when we think that the Book contains all that is to be known do we create all our miseries and confusions. God is Infinite, like His creations (which is also infinite), and can never be fully known or understood.

Pure nonsense, attilaturzo.

Pull your head out of the sand. Begin with an easy book. http://tinyurl.com/3tr5gdu

What a fasinating blog! Nows I know why Aaronsky is a 'friend'. Hey, man i love your style.

Einstein said, No one knows enough to be an athiest.

@TaintedStreetlight,

I was not trying to argue, I was just putting what I believe out there (as you yourself did) and I used other beliefs to express it. In debating the existence of God(s) you say that neither side can truly refute the other. I disagree with this. I believe that with logic and reasoning one can find the truth. That's what I was saying about people disliking absolutes. Some things truly are refutable whether or not the person on the opposing side disagrees or not. If 50% of people argued that 2+2=4 and the other half argued that 2+2=5 can someone say "Well neither side can refute the other?" Sure, but that doesn't make it true. 2+2=4. It's the same thing with other things. I don't believe everything can come from nothing for no reason. There are people who would say that everything can come from nothing. Once again not to argue, but which statement at first sight looks more logical. So when you say we can't truly refute one side of the God/no God argument and I say we can, what happen's then? To disprove that my statement is wrong you would have to admit that yours is paradoxical in the fact you would then have truly refuted my argument. There has to be absolutes. Sorry if this post is a bit confusing. I'm just saying that it happens to be my beliefs that you can truly refute things that are false since in the case of whether a God exists or not one is definitely right.

"There will be people that react in a strongly negative manner to my post but......I'm right."

Cool story, Aaronsky72. Of course nothing is ever what it seems, there's always a conspiracy theory behind everything, right? You also say  People's perception of truth can be flawed. Care to apply that to yourself?

• God is not the author of confusion !!!

i didnt think minital seemed to be arguing... simply discussing his beliefs and sharing in a way that seemed to parallel the Gospel presented here. i guess that's an example of how different minds reading or seeing the same things see things in different ways. its interesting. i enjoy listening to all the different views.

i thoroughly enjoy what you post in your diary, chess master, and am grateful.

@minital,

There are equal arguments for and against gods.  They are equal in that neither side can truly refute the other.  No argument, that ANYONE could construct, can defeat the other side.  To try to do so just brings harm upon yourself and others, it causes a conflict amongst other human beings. 

So please do not argue beliefs, conflict is best left alone.

Thank you attilaturzo for sharing this.

well said, minital! and the Bill Cosby quote is priceless!!! :-D!

Btw I have no disrespect for atheist's beliefs or otherwise. I respect others beliefs as I would hope they would respect mine even if my beliefs are controversial-which they are. I believe in the doctrines of predestination and election in Christianity and these doctrines are by no means popular. I am used to strong criticism, however I feel that these doctrines are clear as daylight in the Bible. Romans 9:10-Rom 9:20 seem to prove that these doctrines are correct from a biblical stand point. Some would call me a Calvinist, but I feel that Calvin just happened to point out something in the Bible. I believe the Bible first and foremost and if I have a belief that contradicts it I will look at the evidence and gladly change my mind if I am wrong. Also you might say I am closed-minded as most people accuse Christians of being, and I have to be somewhat closed-minded to be a Christian considering Jesus said "I am the way, the truth, and the life, and no man my come unto the father but by me". But some things I'm just not going to change my mind about. "If you're too open-minded all your brains are gonna fall out"-Bill Cosby

I believe that just like there is a central truth in chess positions which many GMs are able to find there is a central truth in life. If you say I'm foolish for believing I know the central truth of life go tell these GMs that they don't know the truths of their chess positions because it is too complex and we can not with our small human brains understand it. They will tell you that you can get to the heart of even the most complex chess positions with time and paitience. Those who say we know nothing of God, in my opinion, are completely wrong. He is all around us and has revealed his character through the Bible. I can tell you God's dislikes and likes, what he wants and doesn't want. He hates complaing, but the thing he loves most is when he finds one of his sheep. He killed those who complained to Mo'ses and he tells what he loves most in his story the prodigal son. He reveals himself and his nature through these stories. I feel that the reason the more educated a person the less likely he believes in a God is because he has come to trust himself too much. Lincoln himself was a very educated man, but kept away from making the mistake of trusting himself too much. Lincoln himself said that he could understand how a man could look down on the Earth and be and Athiest, but he could not comprehend of how one could look into the sky and say there is no God. What he said is actually very logical when you think about it. People tend to be afraid of absolutes. "The universe can't just randoml appear from nowhere for no reason". This is an absolute. Even scientifically it holds that nothing can happen without a force by which there is energy and something moves something else. But people will argue that it is not an absolute. Stephen Hawking said “Because these is a law such as gravity, the Universe can and will create itself from nothing. Spontaneous creation is the reason there is something rather than nothing, why the Universe exists, why we exist,” He states the law of Gravity as the reason for the universe. However, Stephen Hawking forgot the scientific definition of gravity. Gravity-a natural phenomenon by which physical bodies attract with a force proportional to their mass. Gravity is a property of any body of mass. If there is no mass how can gravity exist? Even one of the greatest minds of science denies the existence of God. But there was another great mind of science who believed in a God. His name was Einstein. So science by no means disproves the existence of a God. So the fact that the more educated tend not to be religious is strange considering that no amount of worldly knowledge has disproved a God. In fact an atheist friend of mine said himself that it is easier to prove there is a God than to prve there isn't. (With this knowledge I have no idea why he is still atheist). I would think one would lean the way the evidence is leading.

Hello Jimbo,

It is from the Gospel of the Perfect life or also called the Gospel of the Holy Twelve. You can read the original text at http://reluctant-messenger.com/essene/gospel_10.htm 

I wish you a blessed day!

Attila