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I just got back from the North American Open in Vegas. I played in the U2100 section and this was my favorite game. A win with Black in 22 moves. (I actually had another 22 move win with Black)
TY for the response. I'm not sure how to quote I just copy and paste.
In the notes to the game I pointed out that I was planning to respond to 11.d4 with Nxe4 although 11...dxe4 is also possible.
I agree that 11...exd4 is not so good and is a probably better for White because of 12.e5 in this line, as opposed to the Marshall.
Black can also play 11...dxe4, I don't think it's as good as Nxe4 but it's better than exd4.
after 11...dxe4 12.Nxe5 Black plays 12...c5 with compensation for the pawn as you can see in several games.
"12.Bxe4 sounds much more solid, let's see what Black could play against it after 12...Nxe4 13.Rxe4?"
In the notes to my game you can see I gave a possible line for 13.Rxe4.
"12.Ng5 gives an awful 20% for White on Chessbase 2010, seems a branch good only for trash (no good lines)."
Because this opening is relatively new with few games, I wouldn't rely on database statistics to evaluate it because if you did then you will see that Black has a better score than White in all lines on move 11. We need more games to make any deductions from the database.
White only scores 25% with 11.d4 and 11.exd5, so if we went by the database we'd think the Ruy Lopez has been refuted :)
ty david that was one of the few games I ever played where I felt good about all the moves. I'll post my other games in the next entries although they were all full of errors.
that's a very nice game, Jon. i learned something from it :-) you really understood what you were doing, congrats!
Hi ty for the comments.
15.Nh5 doesn't feel right, you basically trap your knight with no squares to go, and after g6 16.Be4 c6 White will have to constantly worry about Black taking the Knight. What is the Knight doing on h5 besides waiting to be captured by the g pawn :)
After 16.g3 I'd rather be Black too, I'm not sure if I'd rather play Bxh3 or Bb7+Qd7, but either way Black has nice squares for his pieces and can slowly build an attack on the White king. Of course Black will be down a pawn, but the main idea behind d5 is that it is a gambit in the first place.
"I don't understand how a player of Ruy Lopez couldn't have played a d-pawn push on your 10...d5 even without knowing the line"
Actually taking the gambit is the most natural reaction most players have when facing that line. Think of the Marshall gambit which is very similar. In the Marshall taking the pawn with exd5 is by far the most popular response.
In the first few games that were played in this varitation, White almost always played 11.exd5 trying to refute it.
In the very first game, White (2448 FIDE) played the same exact moves my opponent did but Black deviated on the 17th move (Qd6 instead of g6 and won with a nice queen sacrifice).
Wang Hao, one of the top Chinese GMs rated over 2600 FIDE, also played the same moves (up to the 17th when Black played Qd6 again) when confronted with this variation against someone rated 100 points lower (GM Gawain Jones) and could've lost on the 25th move if Gawain found Bxe4! but instead the game ended in a 104 move draw.
Magnus Carlsen even played the Black side against Adams in the 2007 World Cup and the super-solid Adams played 11.exd5 as well, but with the more cautious 12.Bxe4.
Here are the two games in case you are interested:
The first is the stem game Kuznetsov-Gajewski with the brilliant Queen sacrifice. If I remember correctly that game won the novelty of the year on chessbase.
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