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24th February 2009, 10:05pm
#1
by joseph12
Clemson United States
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 84

So yesterday I was watching Game Over: Kasparov vs the machine on youtube and when it was over I thought 'hmmmm IBM was up to something'

Any thoughts?

25th February 2009, 02:53am
#2
by o-blade-o
Algiers Algeria
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 480

what?

25th February 2009, 02:56am
#3
by fattyfatfat
Pittsburgh United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 10

I actually just rented that from netflix and watched it today. It was very interesting. I'm not sure if IBM was cheating, but they were playing some major head games with Kasparov (the locked rooms, and not allowing him to see the computer's logs, even after the match). Wheather they cheated or not, they definitely had Kasparov off his game.

25th February 2009, 03:02am
#4
by Simendo
Oslo Norway
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 409

I like to believe that they cheated, but i guess we will never no. Anayway it is a little suspicious that Kasparov wasnt allowed to se the computer log. What was IBM`s motive with denying him to see it? its not like kasparov could have done anything bad with it...unless they cheated;)

25th February 2009, 03:16am
#5
by josefK
Cambridge United Kingdom
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 27

Excellent documentary. No I don't believe there was any cheating (though the huge jump from game one to game two did seem to be remarkable). And ultimately it was a very close run thing (Kasparov missing perpetual check in game 2, missing some good chances in game three and then sadly falling apart in the final game. It could have all been very different). It's a shame that there wasn't a little more openness - Kasparov stated explicitly that his major disadvantage was knowing NOTHING about his opponent while it knew eveything about him. IBM couldn't pack away Deep Blue quick enough after the final game. Everything to lose by a rematch and nothing to gain it seems - suddenly their claims of it all being in the 'interests of science' seemed a little hollow. How much did IBM's stock jump aferwards, 15% wasn't it?

25th February 2009, 03:31am
#6
by Simendo
Oslo Norway
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 409

Yes they made a lot of money and publicity on this match:

Quote CM-magazine:

"The company apparently made more that $100 million dollars from the rise in stock and branding that occurred after the match"

25th February 2009, 03:40am
#7
by joseph12
Clemson United States
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 84

the guy doing the whispering commentary said something like 50% stock rise.

25th February 2009, 03:56am
#8
by fattyfatfat
Pittsburgh United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 10

That whispering was the only part of the movie I didn't like. It was way to overly dramatic, and I had to crank my TV up just to understand what he was saying.

8th March 2009, 04:50pm
#9
by Daniel3
Canada
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 612

I am of the opinion that IBM was cheating in that match.

16th April 2010, 09:51am
#10
by -2012-
Yo-Land United States
Member Since: Apr 2010
Member Points: 41

I think that IBM was cheating in that match. If not, how can it explain the fact that Kasparov couldn't see the computer logs. That seems like very suspicious behavior. Also, the moves made by the computer, well, some of them at least, seemed abnormally creative and could probably have never been made by a computer.

 

Suspicious?

-2012-

 

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