Errors of Chess Mentor

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26th April 2009, 01:29pm
#1
by Kotomitsuki
Japan
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 103

I just made the lection " The Minority Attack" in the "Now What?" from Jeremy Silman. I checked the moves by Fritz 11 and the result is: all moves suggested by Silman are bad, every comment of the quality of position is wrong.  Fritz 11 Elo is 3000+  but at Chess mentor it would get lousy ratings. Why are the positions not checked by computer? or change the questions : If you want to start a Minority Attack THEN whats the best move to do so?

26th April 2009, 01:42pm
#2
by RainbowRising
United Kingdom
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 3059

http://www.chess.com/home/computer_analysis.html?id=17514672

Check out the analyisis in this game (not sure if you are able to). In it, the '2000' computer suggests a line where I play a move which allows the other guy to checkmate me! Apparently this is good, because his response is o-o rather then Qxg2++ !

26th April 2009, 01:44pm
#3
by costelus
Romania
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 1964

:)

Don't put Fritz to analize the moves in Chess Mentor. Silman teaches you how a strong human player thinks, not how a computer blindly computes all the possibilities. I agree, in some positions there might be alternate plans, but this is OK, the author just illustrates one idea.

Humans make plans, we cannot work with "centipawns". I found Silman's lessons extremely interesting.

26th April 2009, 01:58pm
#4
by Kotomitsuki
Japan
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 103

i cant check this analysis, i get no access, its only for you. But with 2000 you ( or a computer ) make still a lot of errors. Silman is IM, will have 2400+ ? and he is making errors.  But these days you can check a result with rybka ( Elo 3250+ ) or you ask a different question like: how can you improve the position of the knight. But instead they ask for the "best" move, and their solution is move #9 or later.

26th April 2009, 02:02pm
#5
by Kotomitsuki
Japan
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 103
costelus wrote:

:)

Don't put Fritz to analize the moves in Chess Mentor. Silman teaches you how a strong human player thinks, not how a computer blindly computes all the possibilities. I agree, in some positions there might be alternate plans, but this is OK, the author just illustrates one idea.

Humans make plans, we cannot work with "centipawns". I found Silman's lessons extremely interesting.


No they dont illustrate a plan, they give a position and ask for a move. if this is not their move you lose points. If they would illustrate a plan then they have to ask a question like: In this position the black knight may get to the wonderful field g4. How can you prevent it from going there.

The wrong question is

... Your Move....

like in Chess Mentor.

I am forced to find the suboptimal plan and a lousy move, i want them to check or ask in a better way!

26th April 2009, 02:33pm
#6
by Patzer24
United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 11493

Thank you for your feedback. In many of the Chess Mentor lessons you should not use a chess program to analyze the positions as it is more strategical and planning rather than trying to find the absolute best move according to the chess computer program.

However, if you see there is a specific blunder or major mis-evaluation then please let me know and I will be happy to investigate the move and correct if necessary.

 

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