1. d4 love it, or hate it?

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12th December 2008, 09:52pm
#1
by thekingandi
Queen Creek United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 511

Greetings,

So I'm new to chess.com, this is my first forum posting.  I'm also reletively new to studying this, the greatest game in the universe in-depth.

 

I've posted a game of mine where i thought i did reletively well.  I planned to the best of my ability.  I am very pleased to have exploited mostly positional errors in this game made by my opponent rather than the more common exploitation of out right blunders.  I don't think he really made any total blunders out right.

 

I invite you all to critique it.  I'd love to hear your feed back.  Also, the real reason I posted this evening is because I want to hear everyone's favorite openings beginning with 1.  d4  This has become a personal favorite of mine although I am exploring the bird, guioco piano, and english as well.  So let me know what you like, let me know some of the best responses black may have to these d4 openings and let me know what I did wrong or right in my game.

 

Cheers

12th December 2008, 10:12pm
#2
by GeneralMiller
United States
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 181

It does look like a nice opening. I typically use the king's indian opening with d4.

12th December 2008, 10:13pm
#3
by GeneralMiller
United States
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 181

By the way, I guess you could say I am indecisive on whether or not I love or hate it.

12th December 2008, 10:15pm
#4
by onosson
Winnipeg, Manitoba Canada
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 727

Nice game, although he made a huge mistake at 19... Qc7 (not that I haven't made similar mistakes myself!)

Re: your main question, I avoid 1. d4 completely - I almost always open with 1.Nf3 these days, though I might play 2. d4 after 1... d5 or even 1...e5 sometimes.  I'll probably come back to 1.d4 at some point, but for now I enjoy working out the intricacies of 1.Nf3

12th December 2008, 10:21pm
#5
by jeaczr4242
albay Philippines
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 212

the e5 push is weak ,18.Bc4 is bad better is Bd7 or Qd7 or BxN,because of the Bishop align in b2-g7 is very strong black must know that ,and the worse is Qc7?? he left the knight, if am wrong thats my vesion and thanks a lot of the game u've show nice game    thank you very much

12th December 2008, 10:42pm
#6
by zombywoof
Landenberg United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 4390

nice game my friend

12th December 2008, 11:03pm
#7
by Mattlh
Orland Park, Illinois United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 42

I only play 1. d4, I find that it suits my style of play better.  It's nice to work out a repertoire for both of black's two main moves, 1... d5 and 1... Nf6.  And as I found out at the Chicago Open this year, beware of the Budapest Gamit (1. d4 Nf6 2. c4 e5).

12th December 2008, 11:17pm
#8
by nqi
Southland New Zealand
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 558

I have recently began only playing d4 and it works well

13th December 2008, 01:33am
#9
by PerfectGent
St Andrews Scotland
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 1722

I hate playing against d4 and NEVER open with it

13th December 2008, 08:27am
#10
by rich
My Home United Kingdom
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 23143

1.d4 is a good move as I like the Trompowsky Attack, and the Queens gambit.

13th December 2008, 09:11am
#11
by trigs
Hamilton Canada
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 566

1. d4 is the best (for me). i like the middlegames it can lead to. 2. c4 is my usual follow up (queen's gambit). my response as black is usually the slav (1. d4 d5 2. c4 c6).

13th December 2008, 09:18am
#12
by kid_of_chess
Ottawa,Ontario Canada
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 5803
PerfectGent wrote:

I hate playing against d4 and NEVER open with it


then u'll hate playing me if u ever do :p

13th December 2008, 09:33am
#13
by thescandinavian
Michigan United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 16

Nice game.

   As White I don't usually play 1. d4, I like e4 & the English. As Black I play varied... one of my goals is to become better at one or two responses.

13th December 2008, 10:49am
#14
by Arakasi
Madison United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 39

I almost always open with d4.  I prefer closed positions and like the positional play that results.  Against d4 I often play the Slav, but I've recently become a fan of the Dutch as well

13th December 2008, 10:59am
#15
by NM ozzie_c_cobblepot
United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 3812

I love d4. I (almost) never play 1: e4. Against e4 I don't play e5 or c5, so the Sicilian and e4-e5 positions almost never occur in my games.

The one exception is a transposition to the Maroczy Bind in the Sicilian Dragon via the following move order.

d4 Nf6 c4 c5 Nf3 g6 Nc3 Bg7 e4 cxd4 Nxd4 etc.

Nice game! I was looking forward to you winning his queen after he "moves" his king at the end there.

13th December 2008, 02:23pm
#16
by Markle
Buckhannon,Wv United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 306

I am strictly an e4 player,it just seems to suit me better. Against d4 i usually play the KID but years ago i played the Dutch alot and i am starting to play it again.

13th December 2008, 02:47pm
#17
by KillaBeez
Kansas United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 4073

I love d4.  The cool thing is that e4 is a bird that flies by itself, but the English, d4, and the KIA flow nicely together.  It is also very flexible and it is easy to change your repertoire without memorizing tons of forcing moves.  I find that d4 gives many diverse games and avoids the Sicilian and the French.  e4, while not bad, is simply too commital for my tastes.

13th December 2008, 09:40pm
#18
by thekingandi
Queen Creek United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 511

Thanks for the input.. who has some cool gambits and traps starting w/ 1.  d4  ??

something im toying around with is the notion that 1.  c4 may be better.  My reasoning is that 1.  c4 can transform into the english, queen's gambit and other good openings.. so maybe if im planning on playing a queen's gambit game i should start with c4 and see what black does.. maybe i dont want to play the queen's gambit after blacks first move.. with c4 im not as comitted.. who has a good opening where the first move absolutely HAS to be 1.  d4?

14th December 2008, 01:36am
#19
by PerfectGent
St Andrews Scotland
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 1722
thekingandi wrote:

something im toying around with is the notion that 1.  c4 may be better.  My reasoning is that 1.  c4 can transform into the english, queen's gambit and other good openings.. so maybe if im planning on playing a queen's gambit game i should start with c4 and see what black does.. maybe i dont want to play the queen's gambit after blacks first move.. with c4 im not as comitted..


i play c4 all the time and have done so for years. will send you an unrated game invite so you can try it out with me

14th December 2008, 02:03am
#20
by nqi
Southland New Zealand
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 558

I know a trap for black against 1d4 but none really for white

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