1. e3 !?

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13th June 2008, 09:21am
#1
by GotGoose
Indiana United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 330

Interestingly, 1. e3 is the third most played move on chess.com according to the Game Explorer: http://www.chess.com/explorer/index.html?db=2

Since when did e3 become popular?  I suppose one could play a reverse French Defense (1. e3 e5 2. a3 d5 3. d4) or a game could transpose into a queen's pawn opening with 1. e3 d5 2. d4.  Can anyone shed some light on this?


13th June 2008, 11:26am
#2
by lanceuppercut_239
United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 454

I checked it out. Black's most common response is 1...e5. After that, white's two most common second moves are 2.Qf3 and 2.Bc4 (while 2.Qh5 is 5th most common). So, it seems that the majority of games beginning 1.e3?! are games where white is played by a beginner going for a variation of scholar's mate.

Other things of note here: with 1.e3?! black wins 57% of the time - and if black replies 1...e5 or 1...c5, black wins almost 2/3 of the time. Even if you look at master games beginning 1.e3 black wins amost 50%.

Why would anyone want to open like this? I don't know. Seems like at best it just wastes a tempo, since white normally wants to play e4 at some point anyway. Although I guess you're right that it could transpose into some 1.d4 opening. But then, why not just open 1.d4 in the first place?


13th June 2008, 11:40am
#3
by colle-pirc
purcellville United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 379

my dad played 1. e3 at 2200~ level twenty years ago.  he used it to transpose into a colle or stonewall or queens pawn game, and tried to confuse black on the first move with it.  i think he did it mostly as a novelty though, he usually opened 1. d4 and then played e3 later. 

 

i really cannot believe e3 is the third most common opening on this site though.. 


13th June 2008, 11:45am
#4
by BirdBrain
KY United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 1806
1. e3 is a flexible move, either intending to go a move behind and play into a defense with the White pieces, or to give more leverage to a d4 or f4 advance, or even play Nf3, or b3... there are a lot of options.  It is a bit of a waiting move, yet it is totally playable.
14th June 2008, 06:02am
#5
by Amnesiac
Devon United Kingdom
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 1244
I think a lot of beginners would play it and higher rated players might play it to get their opponents out of their comfort zone. It can easily transpose into a d4 opening and can lead to interesting non theoretical positions. I know someone who always plays a3!? followed by c4 usually leading to a reverse sicilian but playing a3 first raises blacks blood pressure as it looks like a patzers move.
11th November 2009, 01:29am
#6
by NM-Dale
Vancouver Canada
Member Since: Sep 2009
Member Points: 3
lanceuppercut_239 wrote:

I checked it out. Black's most common response is 1...e5. After that, white's two most common second moves are 2.Qf3 and 2.Bc4 (while 2.Qh5 is 5th most common). So, it seems that the majority of games beginning 1.e3?! are games where white is played by a beginner going for a variation of scholar's mate.

Other things of note here: with 1.e3?! black wins 57% of the time - and if black replies 1...e5 or 1...c5, black wins almost 2/3 of the time. Even if you look at master games beginning 1.e3 black wins amost 50%.

Why would anyone want to open like this? I don't know. Seems like at best it just wastes a tempo, since white normally wants to play e4 at some point anyway. Although I guess you're right that it could transpose into some 1.d4 opening. But then, why not just open 1.d4 in the first place?


I tried 1.e3 e5 2.Qh5 Nc6 3.Bb5 at a coffee shop today several games and it worked out great.

11th November 2009, 01:50am
#7
by AWARDCHESS
Los Angeles United States
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11th November 2009, 02:08am
#8
by AWARDCHESS
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11th November 2009, 02:09am
#9
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
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1 e3 ?!  isnt a very good move for white and allows black easy equality at the least.

11th November 2009, 02:19am
#10
by AWARDCHESS
Los Angeles United States
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1.e3 allow to Black to play everything what they want, but White still ahead on what Black to trying accomplish!

Black not equal, yet, after 1.e3!

11th November 2009, 02:24am
#11
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 4067
AWARDCHESS wrote:

1.e3 allow to Black to play everything what they want, but White still ahead on what Black to trying accomplish!

Black not equal, yet, after 1.e3!


 Your claim is not supported by practice. White scores less than 50% after 1 e3  according to my database.

11th November 2009, 02:26am
#12
by AWARDCHESS
Los Angeles United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 22589

My claim is supported by my practice.

11th November 2009, 02:32am
#13
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 4067
AWARDCHESS wrote:

My claim is supported by my practice.


 Your practice ? The practice of a weak player against even weaker players proves absolutely nothing.

11th November 2009, 02:34am
#14
by AWARDCHESS
Los Angeles United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 22589

as well as your practice proves nothing...

11th November 2009, 02:41am
#15
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 4067
AWARDCHESS wrote:

as well as your practice proves nothing...


 I am not the one claiming my practice means anything, you are. Try to pay attention. My claim is based on over 1000 games with 1 e3 on my database which is chess assistant. I have not made any claim that my practice means anything but you have , and that's just silly.

11th November 2009, 02:43am
#16
by AWARDCHESS
Los Angeles United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 22589

I am leaving your bad epithets on you...

11th November 2009, 02:48am
#17
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 4067

I thought you had me blocked anyway ?  When/why did you unblock me ?

11th November 2009, 02:54am
#18
by AWARDCHESS
Los Angeles United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 22589

1.

This Forum about 1.e3.

2.

This is not my Forum!

3.

I am not unblock you. And I will not gonna do it.

11th November 2009, 02:59am
#19
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 4067
AWARDCHESS wrote:

1.

This Forum about 1.e3.

2.

This is not my Forum!

3.

I am not unblock you. And I will not gonna do it.


 How will I sleep at night ?! 

11th November 2009, 03:02am
#20
by AWARDCHESS
Los Angeles United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 22589

I do not care about you!

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