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1. e4 vs 1. d4


  • 12 months ago · Quote · #221

    RVISHWA

    i am a fan of e4 because it is easy to develop all the pieces

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #222

    AlCzervik

    I don't care what others play. As long as they move quickly.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #223

    nameno1had

    I am currently working on novelties for 1.c3 .... that has to be close to worst...

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #224

    ajmeroski

    It's not that bad, you can always go into something like Colle system with 1. c3. It doesn't have many advantages though.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #225

    sammynouri

    lcmil wrote:

    d4 = refuted.

    Please explain how the second most played opening move is refuted?

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #226

    DrSpudnik

    LOLZ!

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #228

    Spiritbro77

    50% of the time you're going to be playing black. So being familiar with e4, d4 and c4 openings as well as the occasional nf3 etc. is prudent.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #229

    Spiritbro77

    e4Najdorf wrote:

    e4 is better than d4 because the KID is awesome,only retards hate it

    What does the Kings Indian defense have to do with it?

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #230

    sammynouri

    Spiritbro77 wrote:
    e4Najdorf wrote:

    e4 is better than d4 because the KID is awesome,only retards hate it

    What does the Kings Indian defense have to do with it?

     

    Its a good defense to d4, thats why its relevant. But keep in mind white has many options responding to 1...Nf6 Such as Nf3 with the idea of a Barry attack which I use as white as well as the colle system and countless other variations.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #231

    Spiritbro77

    But against e4 you can use the Pirc which is basically the KID with different move order. :)

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #232

    Scottrf

    The Pirc is almost a pawn down after 3 moves, just ask the chess.com computer.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #233

    DeadlyKingV

    Neither is better, it is a matter of styles

    d4 --->It is for players quieter

    e4 --->Is for more aggressive players

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #235

    Aschere

    @spiritbro77

    And i though that i saw every trolling attempt..

    @scottrf

    Do you really believe computer in opening phase?

    @DeadlyKingV

    Thats nonsense, I dare to say that my d4 repertoire is far more agressive than e4 one. Both d4 and e4 gives you enough possibilities to play either calm or agressive variations.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #236

    Spiritbro77

    I'm just learning so what are the big differences between the Pirc and the KID. To my amature eye, at the end of 5 moves both end up in this position. Whites side may be different but to me they play very similarly. Not trying to troll, just understand the differences.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #238

    Vernord00

    Betul juga la kamu cakap

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #239

    nameno1had

    Spiritbro77 wrote:

    I'm just learning so what are the big differences between the Pirc and the KID. To my amature eye, at the end of 5 moves both end up in this position. Whites side may be different but to me they play very similarly. Not trying to troll, just understand the differences.

     

    Attempts at a different move order, will begin to elicit different responses that, end up forcing the position away from the one you hoped to transpose to, especially as the skill of those you play increase. They will know better how to punish you for innacurate play.

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #240

    Chemwong

    What I believe now would be:

    For Adults who wants to play reasonable game in short,

    1.d4 is better try. Some of my friends, after I briefly cover some opening principles like development, space, center control,...

    Reinvented the London system and give me a difficult game. What's heartbreaking is I need to design a queen trap to e q u a l i z e my game after a mistake, and still a difficult game for me to holds the queen against night , pawn , rook. Perhaps he is a bright beginner with experiance in other chess-form games.

    Yet after he tried 1.e4 , without knowing any exact lines, you imagine...

    I would say 1.e4 you need more study of early moves, say the correct path to the 5-7 move tybiya, with serous amount of tactical justification or "positional tactics". For 1.d4, the error margin is larger (Visually poor moves are often in fact nice sidelines or even strong system played in weird move order), and allows player to seeks and realize his own goal in more original way.

    I should add that 1.e4 e5 contain nice and easy-to-find material for tactics and quick positional disaster and worthy to study. Yet, studying it and clinging to it are different things!

    Lastly I would illustrate the danger of playing 1.e4 e5 without accquinted to the early lines : 1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.Bb5 a6 4.Bxc6 dxc6 5.0-0

    With the queens still on the board, can one without previous knowledge really play 5...f6, the taboo pawn push, without any doubt? 

    Hope this gives an alternative view to the discussion. Thanks.


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