1.d4 2...Yawn

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24th June 2009, 02:36am
#41
by turn
Kuala Lumpur Malaysia
Member Since: Feb 2009
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brandonQDSH wrote:

There are a lot of gambits that Black can choose from when facing off against 1. d4. You can take some time to learn the Benoni, Modern Benoni, or even Budapest Counter Gambit, among others. But if you want a simple and sharp line, just try the easiest gambit you can think of . . . 1. d4 e5!!

Trust me, it's no patzer move! I've used it on occasion, and unless your opponent is very skilled, you get a lot of game from having open lines for your Queen and both Bishops.

 

 


I will try it. But if it doesn't work....you're going down!

24th June 2009, 05:56am
#42
by marvellosity
Portsmouth United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2009
Member Points: 1508

Bleh, some dodgy advice on here :)

My dad, who is a strong strong player, has played the Budapest for a few years now - and we've come to the conclusion that it's very dull for Black is white replies with sensible decent mainline moves. Sure it might be good if White makes errors, but that's the same with any opening. As gambits go, Budapest is actually really dull I'm afraid.

Now the Albin Counter Gambit is a lot of fun and, statistically after 1.d4 d5 2.c4, 2...e5 is Black's best scoring reply! Here Black really does get lots of play although objectively White might have some advantage.

I agree wholeheartedly with people who say the Benko is a great gambit; the only real problem is that there's now a huge body of theory that goes with it.

1.d4 e5 is just bad I'm afraid, it looks bad, it is bad, White has great results.

Personally I took up the Gruenfeld at the beginning of the year and I love it. It gives deep, strategically very imbalanced games as a matter of course, and I've scored 3/3 OTB with it so far.

Overall: If you want a gambit, try Benko, Albin, Blumenfeld.
Noteboom is good but be aware White can avoid it.
If you want an interesting, complex but also highly respected opening, try King's Indian Defence or the Gruenfeld. I'd prefer the Gruenfeld because I believe it gives a greater variety of position than the KID.

24th June 2009, 06:45am
#43
by iwilltry
Toronto Canada
Member Since: Jun 2009
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I don't know if saccing your king pawn is a great idea.

24th June 2009, 06:45am
#44
by Nytik
Southampton United Kingdom
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faceless1_14 wrote:

Old Benoni Gambit leads to a sharp game alot of times.  1.d4 c5?! is one of my favorite gambits against 1.d4.
http://www.csm.astate.edu/~wpaulsen/chess/chess.htm?000649

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=A43


Should that be 1... c5?! or 1... c5!?

Just curious. Obviously, it doesn't affect my level of play, but I'd love to know anyway!

24th June 2009, 06:49am
#45
by rich
My Home United Kingdom
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1.d4 is probably the best opening for white I use it all the time.

24th June 2009, 06:52am
#46
by Nytik
Southampton United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
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rich wrote:

1.d4 is probably the best opening for white I use it all the time.


That strikes me as an antithesis, Rich. Wink

1st July 2009, 07:55pm
#47
by brandonQDSH
Honolulu, HI United States
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There are like a billion gambits that have been thrown against 1. d4. People gambit against 1. d4 more than 1. e4 (I think) mainly because the game is slower and you can exploit the added tempo boost to counterattack and win the pawn back with better position than a classical defense.

The 1. e4 positions are much sharper, and the Black gambits produce razor-sharp positions.

Budapest Game; Eglund Gambit (the most obvious choice 1. d4 e5!); Old Benoni (1. d4 c5 also very duh after you see it)/Modern Benoni/Czech Benoni; Benko Gambit; Albin-Counter Gambit are the ones I can think of off the top of my head.

1st July 2009, 07:59pm
#48
by Elubas
Buffalo United States
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 2619

Benoni doesn't count! that makes budapest, albin,  englund, (which isn't taken seriously) and benko. Not too many.

2nd July 2009, 11:51am
#49
by polleke
Belgium
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 650

I have to agree on the budapest gambit. Easy to learn and a lot of fun. I like the lines where black gets the queens rook into play via the 6th rank, like in this game for instance...

http://www.chess.com/article/view/a-budapest-gambit-assault

2nd July 2009, 12:25pm
#50
by Niven42
West Lafayette, Indiana United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 1355

BUDAPEST, BABY!

2nd July 2009, 12:37pm
#51
by rob9258
Oak Park United States
Member Since: Feb 2009
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The Benko Gambit was my favorite when I first started playing in tournaments -- it is strategically clear and full of tactics.

2nd July 2009, 12:41pm
#52
by mhtraylor
Mississippi United States
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 127

The Chigorin Defense is fairly sharp... 1.d4 d5 2.c4 Nc6.

2nd July 2009, 01:17pm
#53
by super12345
New Jersey United States
Member Since: Mar 2009
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Nimzo Indian is good if you like unblanced positions

2nd July 2009, 01:33pm
#54
by NM ozzie_c_cobblepot
United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 3861
brandonQDSH wrote:

There are a lot of gambits that Black can choose from when facing off against 1. d4. You can take some time to learn the Benoni, Modern Benoni, or even Budapest Counter Gambit, among others. But if you want a simple and sharp line, just try the easiest gambit you can think of . . . 1. d4 e5!!

Trust me, it's no patzer move! I've used it on occasion, and unless your opponent is very skilled, you get a lot of game from having open lines for your Queen and both Bishops.

 

 


This gambit -- the Englund Gambit -- is terrible. I speak from experience. I played in a tournament here on chess.com, The Englund Gambit Open, exactly to learn about the gambit.

http://www.chess.com/tournament/englund-gambit---open

I won the tournament, and I still say the Englund is terrible. Why? Well, what typically happened in this tournament is that with white you would play for the win (why not, right? your opponent just gave you a free pawn) and as black you'd try to somehow salvage a draw. Well it didn't really work too well. The most typical result was white winning. We even had a round where nobody was eliminated because everybody tied.

Don't waste your time learning it. It's no good.

2nd July 2009, 01:53pm
#55
by BlackWaive
Michigan United States
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 400

I personally think 1.e4 is the boring opening, but only because I receive Exchange French and Exchange Caro treatment as Black.

People are less willing to play the Exchange Slav against 1.d4, for some reason.

2nd July 2009, 02:53pm
#56
by NM ozzie_c_cobblepot
United States
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Member Points: 3861

Nothing wrong with the Exchange Caro. I face it all the time.

2nd July 2009, 03:01pm
#57
by cuendillar
Stockholm Sweden
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 823

The downside with using the Semi-slav to get tactical action is that white can play the exchange variation instead, which truly can be dull. Of course, there are exceptions - I got a Q-sac played against me in it recently. However, even that one was positional...

2nd July 2009, 03:07pm
#58
by Schachgeek
Western Hemisphere United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 1187

1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nc6!!!

Any takers for an unrated game at 1/7? Come get me, I'll play Black!

2nd July 2009, 03:14pm
#59
by NM ozzie_c_cobblepot
United States
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Member Points: 3861
Schachgeek wrote:

1. d4 d5 2. c4 Nc6!!!

Any takers for an unrated game at 1/7? Come get me, I'll play Black!


1.d4 d5 2.c4 Nc6 3.Nf3

2nd July 2009, 04:23pm
#60
by Elubas
Buffalo United States
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 2619

I think d4 is considered boring from the strict 1 e4 players' black point of view. Sometimes it's hard to counterattack without giving white a positional gain in return. Meanwhile white can play c4 and pressure the center and choose to play for e4 or finachetto the bishop and pressure the queenside. If black tries nimzo indian he usually has to give up a bishop for knight and in the classical nimzo white can treat it like a QG where he has the two bishops making Bg5 stronger. He just has to accept some awkward things like the queen on c3 but I still prefer that to the regular QG as white. Black can play the dutch, but he has to weaken his kingside and some other squares depending on what variation. In the KID black has to concede space. In the Benoni a completely mobile white center and a d6 weakness. These openings (maybe not the benoni) are fine and I love the KID but these attempts at counterattack probably lead to a small edge for white besisdes the nimzo.  This is all probably more annoying for them to play with than the sicilian.

On the other hand, in a must win situation, I might throw in 1 e4 because it is more likely to win or lose than draw, but I still think d4 gives white winning chances.

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