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3rd May 2009, 12:51pm
#1
by TheJoKer-1s
Amsterdam Netherlands
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 73

Whenever my opponent plays 1.d4 I'm thinking: 'oh god not again..'

My problem with 1.d4 is that I find it very boring. Do any of you guys know a sharp opening, preferably a gambit, for black against 1.d4. Thanks in advance!

3rd May 2009, 12:58pm
#2
by faceless1_14
United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 28

Old Benoni Gambit leads to a sharp game alot of times.  1.d4 c5?! is one of my favorite gambits against 1.d4.
http://www.csm.astate.edu/~wpaulsen/chess/chess.htm?000649

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessopening?eco=A43

3rd May 2009, 01:00pm
#3
by ih8sens
Sudbury, Ontario Canada
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 2854

Honestly, I pretty much play everything 1. d4 and 1. e4 ... just bounce around for the sake of learning. 

I'd really suggest you take a look at some mainline semi-slav and other super-positional lines ... they're solid, they're sound (in case you actually want to become a better player), and they'll open up a level of understanding of chess that you simply can't get from tactical bloodbaths.

 

If all that sounds boring, try the Budapest :P.

Kings Indian Defense is pretty good stuff too...

3rd May 2009, 01:01pm
#4
by paunrunner
Dublin Ireland
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 1

the budapest gambit leads to sharp play i find. 1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e5

3rd May 2009, 01:02pm
#5
by lastwarrior2010
Seattle, Washington United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 845

KID and grunfeld are two of the sharpest lines against d4

3rd May 2009, 01:09pm
#6
by Feldmm1
United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 611

Play the semi-slav. The botvinnik and meran lines are very tactical.

3rd May 2009, 01:13pm
#7
by hic2482w
Ottawa Canada
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 584

I like the Old Benoni. It leads to a lively game.

3rd May 2009, 01:13pm
#8
by Qwertykeyboard
Maplewood, New Jersey United States
Member Since: Mar 2009
Member Points: 88

Try the Nimzo indian or the king's indian. They're not very heavy on the defensive.

3rd May 2009, 01:14pm
#9
by shuttlechess92
California United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
Member Points: 1916

King Indian Defense assures you of no yawns. =)

3rd May 2009, 01:15pm
#10
by hic2482w
Ottawa Canada
Member Since: Jan 2009
Member Points: 584
shuttlechess92 wrote:

King Indian Defense assures you of no yawns. =)


 But if you play the King's Indian practically all the time (like I do) don't you start to get bored of it?

3rd May 2009, 01:26pm
#11
by Yaakov
AZ United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 9
hic2482w wrote:
shuttlechess92 wrote:

King Indian Defense assures you of no yawns. =)


 But if you play the King's Indian practically all the time (like I do) don't you start to get bored of it?


Try the Leningrad Dutch, like the KID but with a pawn on f5.

3rd May 2009, 01:26pm
#12
by NexusXTC
Sibiu Romania
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 22

Well, try the King's Indian and the Volga (Benko) Gambit.

The Meran System is also nice.

3rd May 2009, 01:32pm
#13
by Gonnosuke
Southern California Germany
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 2583

The Noteboom is one of the few responses to 1.d4 that allows black to fight for the full point from the outset.  Experienced queen's pawn players will usually avoid it but the less experienced will walk straight into the meat grinder.  It's sharp, complex and hugs the line between respectable and insane which means that it's also very, very fun to play. 

I don't know if you're familiar with the Benko Gambit but for those that are I'll just say this -- if you think the a/b files give black good attacking chances queenside, just wait until you play the Noteboom where the a/b files turn into  Hell's Highway.  You'll never look at the a7 and b7 pawns the same again....I'm gettin' misty just thinkin' about it.


1 d4 d5 2 c4 e6 3 Nc3 c6 4 Nf3 dxc4!?

3rd May 2009, 01:38pm
#14
by Feldmm1
United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 611
Gonnosuke wrote:

The Noteboom is one of the few responses to 1.d4 that allows black to fight for the full point from the outset.  Experienced queen's pawn players will usually avoid it but the less experienced will walk straight into the meat grinder.  It's sharp, complex and hugs the line between respectable and insane which means that it's also very, very fun to play. 

I don't know if you're familiar with the Benko Gambit but for those that are I'll just say this -- if you think the a/b files give black good attacking chances queenside, just wait until you play the Noteboom where the a/b files turn into what can only be described as Hell's Highway!  You'll never look at the a7 and b7 pawns the same again....I'm gettin' misty just thinkin' about it.


1 d4 d5 2 c4 e6 3 Nc3 c6 4 Nf3 dxc4!?


 But trying to get a noteboom allow the marshall gambit, which scores badly for black.

3rd May 2009, 01:45pm
#15
by sAviOrOSL
United States
Member Since: Apr 2009
Member Points: 27

i always play KID...

3rd May 2009, 01:48pm
#16
by Gonnosuke
Southern California Germany
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 2583
Feldmm1 wrote:
Gonnosuke wrote:

The Noteboom is one of the few responses to 1.d4 that allows black to fight for the full point from the outset.  Experienced queen's pawn players will usually avoid it but the less experienced will walk straight into the meat grinder.  It's sharp, complex and hugs the line between respectable and insane which means that it's also very, very fun to play. 

I don't know if you're familiar with the Benko Gambit but for those that are I'll just say this -- if you think the a/b files give black good attacking chances queenside, just wait until you play the Noteboom where the a/b files turn into what can only be described as Hell's Highway!  You'll never look at the a7 and b7 pawns the same again....I'm gettin' misty just thinkin' about it.


1 d4 d5 2 c4 e6 3 Nc3 c6 4 Nf3 dxc4!?


 But trying to get a noteboom allow the marshall gambit, which scores badly for black.


The original poster wanted a sharp opening that wasn't boring.  I'm pretty sure the theoretical debate that goes on at the 2700 level doesn't mean much to him or he wouldn't have requested a gambiteering response to 1.d4.  It sounded to me like he was more interested in playing fighting chess that wouldn't put him to sleep.  The Noteboom and Marshall Gambit both qualify in that regard.  The Marshall Gambit is a sign that white didn't leave his balls at home.  Statistics be damned, it's full-point fighting chess.

Having said that, I'm not sure I agree with you that the Marshall is bad for black -- there have been many developments in recent years and it seems that the Qxg2 line is now black's best try.  You can read about it here:

http://www.newinchess.com/Archives/PDFs/YB84_SL61.pdf

3rd May 2009, 02:08pm
#17
by socket2me
Ft. Collins, Colorado United States
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 541
TheJoKer-1s wrote:

Whenever my opponent plays 1.d4 I'm thinking: 'oh god not again..'

My problem with 1.d4 is that I find it very boring. Do any of you guys know a sharp opening, preferably a gambit, for black against 1.d4. Thanks in advance!


 But, just remember... us new players have a limited knowledge and comfort in only a few openings.  I play d4 on white, and siclillian on black... I've learned hard from continually meeting up with the d4 pawn in the center.  Automatically, puts me on defense.. I haven't had a chance to read what others have posted here, but that is my input.

3rd May 2009, 02:18pm
#18
by mannyisbadatchess
Roseville United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 46

ALBIN COUNTERGAMBIT!!!!

14th May 2009, 12:21am
#19
by epthisunilpp1
Kerala India
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 1

Can Somebody give me the latest theory on Marshall for the line 1.d4 d5 2.c4 e6 3. Nc3 c6 4.e4 dxe4 5.Nxe4 Bb4+ 5.Bd2 Qxd4 6.BxBb4 QxNe4+ 7.Be2 Na6 8. Ba5(Any improvements here?) Bd7 9.Nf3 Nf6 10.Qd6 Qf5 11.Ne5 Qxf2+ 12. Kx Q Ne4+ 13. Kf3 NxQ 14. Rhd1 Ke7 15.c5 Nxc5 16.Bb4 b6 17.Rac1

15th May 2009, 06:19am
#20
by ericmittens
London, ON Canada
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 1870

Theoretically sound, sharp, openings against d4 include:

Modern Benoni

Benko Gambit (My personal favorite)

King's Indian

Grunfeld

Dutch

Choose one of these and you'll be happy.

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