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1.d4 Nf6 2.c4 e6 3.Nf3 d5 4.b3?!


  • 11 months ago · Quote · #1

    BlessedStar

    Does this work cause I may actually try play this

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #2

    AnthonyCG

    It's not a horrible move. The problem is that the bishop doesn't do anything on b2 other than stare at the d4 pawn all day long. White can end up with isolated pawns or hanging pawns which are bad for White because of the passive bishop.

    White can always take on d5 later but that doesn't do much for him either.

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #3

    LavaRook

    If you wana fianchetto, fianchetto on the other side :D

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #4

    BlessedStar

    AnthonyCG wrote:

    It's not a horrible move. The problem is that the bishop doesn't do anything on b2 other than stare at the d4 pawn all day long. White can end up with isolated pawns or hanging pawns which are bad for White because of the passive bishop.

    White can always take on d5 later but that doesn't do much for him either.

    It maybe could transp

    ose into a collezukertort?

    Or somthing like that?

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #5

    AnthonyCG

    Maybe but the easiest way is just to play e6, d5 and c5. In the diagram Black is probably going to play e5 sooner or later and maybe the bishop can do something then.

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #6

    Estragon

    White would be throwing away any chance of a tangible opening advantage because at this point b3 doesn't DO anything positive.  It does nothing for the center, it develops no piece, it makes no threat.  As AnthonyCG pointed out @ #2, the Bb2 would be passively placed.

    Playable?  Sure.  But White should be pushing for more than an even game with chances for both sides.  And Black can get equality at least by playing 4 ...Bb4+.

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #7

    erikido23

    At the end of the 1st diagram...black plays b-b4 and white obviously isn't losing.  But, it seems to me black is already  equal.  If b-d2 then black has many ideas like b-e7, a5(arguing that a2 is a weakness) or bxd2,dxc, q-e7, 0-0 ,nbd7, c5 and white won't seem to have enough activity to compensate for the weak pawns

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #8

    BlessedStar

    Well this is the colle-zukertort

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #10

    erikido23

    I am guessing your last post indicates you think nbd2 will transpose...But, if nbd2 then b-c3 is slightly annoying especially since the d pawn is hanging

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #11

    InfiniteComplexity

    pfren wrote:

    4...Bb4+ 5.Bd2 Be7 looks good enough for fast equality, but I'd rather play 4...c5, when in the Tarrasch formations about to be ancountered b2-b3 looks totally silly.

    It doesn't look too silly, and in fact after Nc3, dxc5, and Na5 has been played quite a few times. Would you suggest Black deviate from what I've given?

  • 11 months ago · Quote · #12

    Estragon

    InfiniteComplexity wrote:
    pfren wrote:

    4...Bb4+ 5.Bd2 Be7 looks good enough for fast equality, but I'd rather play 4...c5, when in the Tarrasch formations about to be ancountered b2-b3 looks totally silly.

     

    It doesn't look too silly, and in fact after Nc3, dxc5, and Na5 has been played quite a few times. Would you suggest Black deviate from what I've given?

     

    What is the point of 6 ...Be7 anyway?  Just 6 ...cxd4  7 Nxd4 Bb4+  8 Bd2 Bc5 and Black is very comfortably placed while White is quite awkward. 


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