1.e4 2.c5 3.c4... Why not?

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #1


    1.e4...c5 2.c4 I mean.

    I've looked at this opening and I don't see anything really wrong with it yet it's never played and those who play it apparently lose almost always on white.


    What's so bad about this opening? It develops 2 pawns into the centre of the board.

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #2


    Developing pawns is almost always the same as creating a weakness, and here the d4 square is severely weakened. Much better would be to develop a piece, or at least make a different pawn move that doesn't make a huge weakness.

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #3


    Yup.  d4 is severely weakened giving black a nice square to outpost a piece.

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #4


  • 5 years ago · Quote · #5


    Yes, it's playable, but look at those stats.. heavily favoring black.  So basically white hands over the advantage to black.

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #6


    it also hems in the white square bishop and doesn't let out any piece that wasn't already free to leave. 

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #7


    I think 1.Bd3/e2 would be better insead of c4.

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #8


    Can't you just play nf3 to protect the d4.. I know it's not good, but what makes its SO bad.. It literally loses 75% of the time while not doing anything dubious or ridiculous.

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #9


  • 5 years ago · Quote · #10


    a3 is much better.

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #11


    nothing wrong with it, c4 is not a bad move. But the wing gambit would be better!

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #12


    c4 is fine, i feel that in order to capitalize on any sort of weakness here black has to create weaknesses of his own for example ...2 Nc6 3 Nf3 and black is forced to play 3... e5 in order to stop 4 d4 from white, which would leave him in what i feel is a very pleasant position which is very open and leaves black scrambling a few moves behind to establish some sort of central control.  but after e5, white can use his one move advantadge and play moves like d3, nc3 - d5, ideas of a4 -a5 and b4 at some point seem apropriate, and an eventual fiachetto of the light square bishop. White's chances are good, and his one move advantadge is put to full effect.  Its a matter of preference really, but i think it is strong if played correctly.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #13


    By transposition, White still can play d4, and after the exchange we will have pretty much the so-called Maróczy Bind.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #14


    The moves 1.e4 c5 2.e4 is the foundation of the so-called Botvinnik System Here's a GM example of this variation

    Here's another example of a win against GM Larry Christiansen http://www.365chess.com/game.php?gid=2482708

    I use the Botvinnik system myself..








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