1.e4 f6?!

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14th October 2008, 02:50pm
#1
by narutofanforever
United States
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Barnes Defense, tell me what you think about it.

14th October 2008, 02:53pm
#2
by KillaBeez
Kansas United States
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It is bull crap.

14th October 2008, 02:53pm
#3
by narutofanforever
United States
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Barnes Defense is a dubious chess opening characterized by the moves:

  • 1. e4 f6?!

This is similar to the irregular Barnes Opening a tempo down. It is considered a very poor move, as it opens no lines for Black to develop his pieces, allows White free and easy development, deprives the g8 knight of its most natural square (f6), and weakens the position of the black king. It does attack a central square, e5, but 1...d6 (the Pirc Defense), or even 1... Nc6 (the Nimzowitsch Defense) are better moves to attack this square. Alternatively, 1...e5, occupying the square immediately, is considered one of Black's most reliable moves. Barnes Defense is named after Thomas Wilson Barnes, an English master who, amazingly, defeated one of the greatest players of the time, Paul Morphy, with it in an offhand game played in London in July 1858[1][2]

14th October 2008, 02:59pm
#4
by NM ozzie_c_cobblepot
United States
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I agree with KillaBeez

14th October 2008, 03:01pm
#5
by erik
Mountain View, CA United States
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bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad.

14th October 2008, 03:03pm
#6
by gavriil23
Azerbaijan
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Guys i always plays f6 and always win.

14th October 2008, 03:07pm
#7
by NM ozzie_c_cobblepot
United States
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Shenigans

14th October 2008, 03:24pm
#8
by narutofanforever
United States
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gavriil23 wrote:

Guys i always plays f6 and always win.


You're joking.

14th October 2008, 03:27pm
#9
by pvmike
Voorhees, NJ United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
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A guy at my chess club plays that  and wins, but he was rated over 2300 back in the 70's. I think he does just to level the playing field 

14th October 2008, 03:33pm
#10
by thegab03
on the road to nowhere! Ireland
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15th October 2008, 12:01am
#5
by erik
Mountain View, CA United States
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bad bad bad bad bad bad bad bad.

Sorry sir Eric,maybe for you it's bad,but check your Data Base,it's not so bad in the hands of a good player,no?

14th October 2008, 03:38pm
#11
by Qxe8
California United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
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This IS bad. Good players can use it because they're, well, good. But I would never recommend using this, it just does nothing for black besides weaken the king and block the knight. Anything is better than this move.

14th October 2008, 06:10pm
#12
by trentthechessnut
Picton, NSW Australia
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1...f6 is good......... in certain Fischer Random positions :)

14th October 2008, 06:39pm
#13
by eriyg
iowa United States
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it really depends on how you play the rest of the game, or even the next 3 moves

14th October 2008, 06:49pm
#14
by staggerlee
Clermont-Ferrand France
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Booo!   Don't play this.

14th October 2008, 07:10pm
#15
by goldendog
beertopia United States
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...f6 is horrible. Please know enough about chess to understand this.

14th October 2008, 07:25pm
#16
by JG27Pyth
NYC United States
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Well, if everyone's gonna go hatin' on 1...f6 they sure aren't gonna like the second move of the fried fox attack! 2...Kf7!?

http://www.chess.com/games/view.html?id=2328955


15th October 2008, 02:15am
#17
by thegab03
on the road to nowhere! Ireland
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Member Points: 18636

Come on guys,don't critisize this opening if you've never played it,if you've studied it or played it a little bit then give your point of view for it's great for trowing the oposition in to a complete confusion!

15th October 2008, 02:34am
#18
by goldendog
beertopia United States
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Any Class C USCF could take on a peer who makes the mistake of ...f6, and using just that moderate skill and a good grasp of opening principles, would amass a nice plus score. May all my opponents try to "confuse" me so.

15th October 2008, 02:50am
#19
by gabrielconroy
London United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 1520

Yeah, if someone plays such a move as their first, its not so much confusing as it is heartening. There's really not much to be confused by - just play to basic principles (with 2. d4, for example), and white already has a much better position.

15th October 2008, 03:43am
#20
by kid_of_chess
Ottawa,Ontario Canada
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 5774

Continue with g5!!

1.e4? f6!

2.d4? g5!! :)

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