1.e4 or 1.d4

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4th June 2009, 01:46pm
#1
by stonesikich
United States
Member Since: Jun 2009
Member Points: 64

Hey I want to see How many people like 1.d4 or 1.e4 best ,so I am going to tally. Also tell me why you like this better than that. also tell me the advantages and disadvantages between them. So which will win I guess were going to find out.   

4th June 2009, 01:56pm
#2
by kosmeg
Lamia Greece
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 528

Never-ending thread

4th June 2009, 01:59pm
#3
by stonesikich
United States
Member Since: Jun 2009
Member Points: 64
kosmeg wrote:

Never-ending thread


 what does that mean

4th June 2009, 02:00pm
#4
by Nytik
Southampton United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 4738
stonesikich wrote:
kosmeg wrote:

Never-ending thread


 what does that mean


It means that this topic gets created every two or three days, and the same points go round over and over again, and it gets rather tiresome.

4th June 2009, 02:12pm
#5
by kosmeg
Lamia Greece
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 528
Nytik wrote:
stonesikich wrote:
kosmeg wrote:

Never-ending thread


 what does that mean


It means that this topic gets created every two or three days, and the same points go round over and over again, and it gets rather tiresome.


The word that fits here is "exactly"

4th June 2009, 03:03pm
#6
by MrNimzoIndian
West Midlands England
Member Since: Mar 2009
Member Points: 122

Well this chess site offers the opportunity to play both 1e4 and 1d4 !

I can't help think that the best chess education will involve exposure to both at some point.

On another point perhaps one super match could take place. 1e4 players against 1d4 players. 2 Simultaneous games where if you play 1e4 you have to face 1d4 in the other game etc Perhaps a 100 per side or even a 1000 ? There would have to be some way of making sure there was comparable individual matches based on ratings...Would be an interesting experiment.

Could this be organised ?

4th June 2009, 03:10pm
#7
by Alphastar18
Groningen Netherlands
Member Since: May 2009
Member Points: 714

1. e4 wins by a slight margin.

End of thread.

4th June 2009, 03:16pm
#8
by richie_and_oprah
Marie Byrd Land International
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 1861
Alphastar18 wrote:

1. e4 wins by a slight margin.

End of thread.


Except that 1.d4 is better because the pawn is not hanging.

 

Took me 30 years to accept this simple fact.

5th June 2009, 11:55am
#9
by mprhchess
Maine United States
Member Since: May 2009
Member Points: 313
richie_and_oprah wrote:
Alphastar18 wrote:

1. e4 wins by a slight margin.

End of thread.


Except that 1.d4 is better because the pawn is not hanging.

 

Took me 30 years to accept this simple fact.


 I agree.

I have only been playing chess for 5.

5th June 2009, 11:57am
#10
by ih8sens
Sudbury, Ontario Canada
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 2893

This is talked about all the time.  It's one move... lots of good ways to win a chess game. 

 

For those interested I've left 1. d4 and gone back to my first true love :).

5th June 2009, 12:00pm
#11
by ericmittens
London, ON Canada
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 1876

1.c4

Anything else is uncivilized

5th June 2009, 12:03pm
#12
by ih8sens
Sudbury, Ontario Canada
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 2893
ericmittens wrote:

1.c4

Anything else is uncivilized


Well that's not quite fair ... wasn't one of the options :P... Besides, c4 isn't really taking full advantage of having the first move.

5th June 2009, 12:09pm
#13
by wiseguy00
Ireland
Member Since: Mar 2009
Member Points: 232

Statistically the best opening is actually 1.Na3  Cool

5th June 2009, 12:11pm
#14
by RainbowRising
United Kingdom
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 3071

There are three types of lies: lies, damn lies, and statistics.

5th June 2009, 12:18pm
#15
by ericmittens
London, ON Canada
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 1876
ih8sens wrote:
ericmittens wrote:

1.c4

Anything else is uncivilized


Well that's not quite fair ... wasn't one of the options :P... Besides, c4 isn't really taking full advantage of having the first move.


You're not taking advantage of the first move. Tongue out

5th June 2009, 12:29pm
#16
by RainbowRising
United Kingdom
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 3071

If c5 is meant to be blacks best response to e4, and e4 is meant to be the best opening, they I fail to see how c4, which is c5 a move ahead, can be that bad.

5th June 2009, 12:30pm
#17
by ericmittens
London, ON Canada
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 1876

Actually its the best move.

Tell no one.

5th June 2009, 12:35pm
#18
by mprhchess
Maine United States
Member Since: May 2009
Member Points: 313
wiseguy00 wrote:

Statistically the best opening is actually 1.Na3  


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5th June 2009, 01:07pm
#19
by richie_and_oprah
Marie Byrd Land International
Member Since: Feb 2009
Member Points: 1861
RainbowRising wrote:

If c5 is meant to be blacks best response to e4, and e4 is meant to be the best opening, they I fail to see how c4, which is c5 a move ahead, can be that bad.


Black has not played e5 yet.  Playing c5 in response to e4 is not the same as playing c4 as an opening salvo because the pawn structures are not the same as far as who is 'on move.'

Sometimes this is critical, sometimes not.

Also, e5 is black's best response to e4.

5th June 2009, 01:12pm
#20
by RainbowRising
United Kingdom
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 3071

That is true, but I don't think it is that critical. If it was, the English Opening wouldn't ever be played.

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