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A refutation of c5? in the QGD


  • 6 months ago · Quote · #1

    coneheadzombie

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #2

    Silthalis

    Pretty sure this is a slav, and I believe c5 is a release of tension that is seen as sub par in most variations of the slav. E5 is also a fairly common thematic break in most slav positions.

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #4

    coneheadzombie

    iFrancisco wrote:

    Not understanding this one.  4. c5 is just silly by white as 4... b6 is played and black is equal if not slightly, slightly better. No need to play all these other moves just for e5 when there is a painfully simple answer right away.

    I don't really like your superior tone. You may be good at chess, but just chill.

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #5

    pellik

    conehead, I think his tone was just fine. I don't really like your argumentative tone. You may suck at chess, but just chill. 

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #6

    coneheadzombie

    pellik wrote:

     You may suck at chess.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but doesn't that sound like an argumentative tone? You may be a stupid hypocrite, but just chill. Sealed

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #7

    OldHastonian

    @boneheadzombie...

    If we want strong players like NM iFrancisco to give us the benefit of their expertise, perhaps we could treat them with some respect?

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #8

    coneheadzombie

    OldHastonian wrote:

    @boneheadzombie...

    If we want strong players like NM iFrancisco to give us the benefit of their expertise, perhaps we could treat them with some respect?

    Who are you talking to?

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #9

    coneheadzombie

    Powerlevel_9001 wrote:

    conehead, dude, pellik was a bit harsh there, youre pretty good given your age.

    Chess is a learning process, stuff like c5 is a part of that, this kind of stuff is good to ask in the process. In any case, just forget about what was said, and understand the specific reasons why c5 is trash.

    finally, someone who is not arguing with me! =)

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #10

    Cnl_Duck

    Isn't that the Slav? Anyway, this is faster, as NM iFrancisco said:

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #11

    coneheadzombie

    an immediate ...e5 also looks juicy.

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #13

    SmyslovFan

    Francisco criticized a move, not a player. He pointed out the flaw of c5 in clear terms. I see nothing whatsoever in his tone or his message that disrespected the person who made the moves.

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #14

    rooperi

    SmyslovFan wrote:

    Francisco criticized a move, not a player. He pointed out the flaw of c5 in clear terms. I see nothing whatsoever in his tone or his message that disrespected the person who made the moves.

    Yeah. It's all a bit of a hissy fit...

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #15

    coneheadzombie

    iFrancisco wrote:

    coneheadzombie,

    I didn't mean to come off that way so I apologize if I did. The point I am trying to convey is that b6 by black is quite often the response to an early c5 move. On move 4 especially, it makes b6 amazing for black since he will equalize immediately. Playing for e5 is always a good idea as well and can work too, but it is much slower and needs a buildup.

    ok thanks

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #16

    coneheadzombie

    i just played a bullet game and lost. i wasn't upset at the fact that i lost, only that the person insulted me, banned me, and posted a hate note. guess i'm just pissed because of that.

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #17

    jhon_mark11

    nice idea to the QGD  ifrancisco , b6 is good idea to exploit white premature c5 ..  and advancing the e5 is long procedure to do .. 

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #18

    NimzoRoy

    A general rule of thumb: c5 works for White after ...a6, and ...c4 is usually only playable for Black after White has played a3.

  • 6 months ago · Quote · #19

    Estragon

    NimzoRoy wrote:

    A general rule of thumb: c5 works for White after ...a6, and ...c4 is usually only playable for Black after White has played a3.

    Just so.  The reason is that in these cases after ...b6 (b3), there is no recapture with the a-pawn, so the c-pawn is left backward on a half-open file and is a natural target.  If the a-pawn could recapture, the c-pawn can swiftly advance ...c5 (c4) and is now a strong participant in the central battle, not a weakness.


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