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ok browni, calm your feathers there.
think about it: I ditch a tempo to play one of the most reputable defences to 1.e4. i see nothing wrong with that.
even 1.c3 c5 1.e4 transposes into a c3 sicilian for white, I believe.
Demented, totally correct! 1. c3 is a very transpositional move.
I think you could improve this gambit if you don't waste the tempo with ...d6 and ...d5. For example even something as odd-looking as 1.e4 h6!? 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 c6 and the pawn at h6 looks somewhat helpful. After 1.e4 h6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 Bf5, when the ...h6 move is useful in that kind of line.
Another thought is 1.e4 a6!? 2.d4 d5 3.exd5 c6 4.dxc6 Nxc6 when the a6 pawn move may come in handy later.
That said, these ideas lose some of the psychological impact of playing 1.e4 d6 2.d4 d5??! -- White could easily suffer from overconfidence after Black starts the game out that way.
erixoltan: your suggestions are interesting..... I might consider them. As you said though, it's mainly the psychological impact I'm looking for here. The thing is, most crazy openings have psychological impact, but few are solid, you know?
andrewf2002: I know that's a solid defense, I am simply analysing some surprise lines: a.k.a. the type of lines that look like you're high or something, but still put up a good fight.
I am simply analysing some surprise lines: a.k.a. the type of lines that look like you're high or something, but still put up a good fight.
That's pretty much my whole opening repertoire.
I just stumbled upon this thread and am trying your "crazy defense" (just for fun) .
Game is here: http://www.chess.com/echess/game.html?id=48625881
hmmm... well, have fun skewy
what do you think of the defense?
I know I haven't been updating this post for a while, but I've decided to do some further analysis on my crazy defense....
This is the starting position of the Demented Defense (a.k.a. the Tempo Countergambit). From here, there are two main lines that emerge:
1. Scandi Variation (1. e4 d6 2. d4 d5 3. exd5)
2. Advance Variation (1. e4 d6 2. d4 d5 3. e5)
The Scandi Variation
The Scandi Variation is the most aggresive try by white to refute the Demented Defense. White immediately grabs the pawn on d5 and transposes into a scandinavian defense where he is a tempo up.
For this reason, I recommend the gambit line 3... Nf6:
From this position, several lines can arise, the first of which is an attempt by white to keep his material advantage. (This is the line which I will analyse in this post, as it is the one that most Demented players dislike the most)
its a little weird...
The "advance variation" is somewhat silly- Black can play 3...c5 and have a Caro Kann sideline (1.e4 c6 2.d4 d5 3.e5 c5).
Why 7.Be2 or 7.Be3? Instead 7.d5 is far more natural, e.g. 7...Bxf3 8.gf3 or 7...Ne5 8.Nbd2, or 8.Qa4+ Bd7 9.Qb3, or simply 8.Nc3. All of them are likely a pawn up for nothing, and certainly enough far from "solid".
pfren: yes, I believe you are right. perhaps we should try a different line (just for fun )
OK- this way you have a free piece development, but I cannot see how to destroy white's strong center: you have no good pawn breaks. Actually after 4...e6 you have the dubious "Icelandic Gambit" with one difference: in the gambit proper, the pawn is on d2, while here it's already on d4- which is obviously in white's favour.
it certainly worked in the first game. it is def a gambit rather than an opening. i would play e5 as i do in the french surely then black has just lost a tempo.
well, actually its more of a caro-kann (no tempo lost):
now the crazy line:
reuben fine said in his book on openings if its a e4 opening aim for d4 if its d4 aim for e4. im not sure about this its some time since i read it.
yeah i have heard that somewhere too...
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