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aggressive opening as black


  • 4 years ago · Quote · #1

    Qwertyawesome

    hey i have been having trouble recently playing as black, and i have talked to some players better than me who said to try being more aggressive in my opening.

    does anyone know any good, aggressive openings to play as black against e4 or d4?

    thanks in advance

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #2

    Hypocrism

    Sicilian, QGA

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #3

    AnthonyCG

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #4

    ThrillerFan

    The Modern Defense against both.

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #5

    Fear_ItseIf

    Against d4 I'd say go for Benko or Benoni imo, KID is also good.

    Against e4 the sicilian is an obvious one, but ..e5 can also fit any playstyle well.

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #6

    jurassicmc

    latvian gambit  against e4    /    budapest gambit/englund gambit against d4 . 

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #7

    TetsuoShima

    najdorf and gruenfeld and kings indian

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #8

    kikvors

    Could you first describe a little about what you mean with 'aggressive' opening? Chess is a 1 vs 1 game, in principle the goal of every good move is the get the best result possible.

    Sharp? Asymmetrical? Open?

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #9

    Expertise87

    The thread is 2 years old...

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #10

    kikvors

    Haha, thanks for the hint :-)

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #12

    mvtjc

    OFC, since no grandmaster recently are still playing those openings in serious tournaments then those must be such really awesome openings that an IM stil needs to explain in details why he made a comment with such an obvious meaning. lalalalalalala. . .

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #13

    ParekhAbhishekN

    Against e4 : Dragon sicilian , Two knight defence, Falkbeer countergambit,

     

    Against d4 : Modern Benoni, Benko Gambit, KID, Nimzo-Indian etc. 

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #14

    Expertise87

    HurricaneMichael1 wrote:
    pfren wrote:
    jurassicmc wrote:

    latvian gambit  against e4    /    budapest gambit/englund gambit against d4 . 

    Resigning at move one and going to the bar is even more painless, and certainly more fun.


    That is funny. But why don't you say what's wrong with those openings, and say openings that are better and why? Instead of leaving a Smart Alic comment?

    HurricaneMichael, I don't think you realize what you're asking here. The list of better openings goes on for several books (pick up a copy of Encyclopedia of Chess Openings and look up almost any other opening) and what's wrong with them would also fill several books.

    The Latvian Gambit gives up a pawn for zero compensation. A better move is 2...Nc6, for example, or 2...Nf6, or 2...d6.

    The Englund Gambit gives up a pawn for negligible compensation. A better move is (any other legal move except maybe 1...g5)

    The Budapest is positionally suspect. Played as a gambit (3...Ne4) it is totally refuted. 3...Ng4 is not a gambit (White can't reasonably hold onto the pawn) and Black isn't TOO much worse, but it's not a good try for equality. Much better would be 2...e6, 2...g6, 2...c5, or even 2...c6.

    Hope that clears up your issues, but it really doesn't take much effort to find out what's wrong with these openings and what better openings are available.

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #15

    jurassicmc

    jaja i love the ego of people like you guys. I like see your faces when i destroy you on the board  with these openings .  The important is the profitability,  Chess is a game of errors, of course in high levels 2400-2800 could not be profitable play latvian gambit and everything is thanks to computers that are killing the game . But ¡ Surprise!  A 2300 player is not a computer! Make mistakes.  And I am sure that u are not 2500 elo , so please stop looking perfection if you are not a GM. 

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #16

    Mainline_Novelty

    jurassicmc wrote:

    jaja i love the ego of people like you guys. I like see your faces when i destroy you on the board  with these openings .  The important is the profitability,  Chess is a game of errors, of course in high levels 2400-2800 could not be profitable play latvian gambit and everything is thanks to computers that are killing the game . But ¡ Surprise!  A 2300 player is not a computer! Make mistakes.  And I am sure that u are not 2500 elo , so please stop looking perfection if you are not a GM. 

    It's not like the refutation to the Latvian or Englund is some hugely complicated and trappy 20 move line...it's simple, take the pawn and keep it...or sacrifice it back and get a huge opening adavntage. 

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #17

    Fear_ItseIf

    While the Latvian, englund and budapest (to a lesser extent) are quite poor, I dont believe that is the main reason NOT to play them. After all at sub 2000 you can play pretty much anything since the game wont be decided by a +0.80.

    The reason NOT to play them in my opinion is that there is absoloutely NOTHING you can learn from these trappy lines. They will not help you improve as a player, and if you do progress, eventually you will have to give it up for a more solid opening anyway.


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