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Am I the only one who thinks that the King's Gambit is trash?


  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #41

    Hadron

     


    Isn't chess a funny old game in that we as players can never really totally agree on much of anything that isn't total forced..

    Mind you it doesn't really help when questions are asked based on incorrect play and a faulty supposition.

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #42

    DrCheckevertim

    If my standard rating was under 1000 I'd keep my opinions to myself. You barely know how the horsie moves.... just saying.

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #43

    johnmusacha

    in an L shape?

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #44

    ThrillerFan

    In response to the OP, NO!  You are NOT the only one that thinks the KG is trash!

    I make TWO of us that think the KG is utter garbage!

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #45

    Hadron

    DrCheckevertim wrote:

    If my standard rating was under 1000 I'd keep my opinions to myself. You barely know how the horsie moves.... just saying.

    and your Chess.com rating of 1463 makes you a grandmaster how?...

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #46

    fabelhaft

    There are many better openings, I think it was Kramnik who said something like that with the King's Gambit white destroys his own position and gives up a pawn at the same time. Carlsen is the only top player to have used it in a classical game for decades, and it doesn't just have to do with fashion. Nimzowitsch and Keres played the Latvian Gambit once in a while but no top player would play it today. Then it's another thing what is fun on amateur level, but to me there are more exciting openings than the King's Gambit.

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #47

    DrCheckevertim

    Hadron wrote:
    DrCheckevertim wrote:

    If my standard rating was under 1000 I'd keep my opinions to myself. You barely know how the horsie moves.... just saying.

    and your Chess.com rating of 1463 makes you a grandmaster how?...

    I don't see anywhere that I claimed to be a great chess player. But the OP has a complete beginner rating and is calling an opening "trash," when that opening has been used by plenty of grandmasters. Undecided I can't find a place where I condemned an entire opening while barely understanding what a fork is. Please let me know if I ever do such a thing.

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #48

    CJ_P

    The KG scares me, so I play the faulkbeer. And a bad line at that, but not many on my level like the direct refutation ... so i get away with it hehehe

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #49

    TheGreatOogieBoogie

    FirebrandX wrote:

    You should be able to beat Nigel Short then if it is trash.

    No offense, and I typically respect what you have to say, but Short could beat you and me using the Basman's Defense (1.e4,g5?! or maybe even ?) and even ...f6?  If Paul Morphy of all people could lose against 1...f6?? (Why is it called Barnes' Defense again?) it could damn well happen to us, especially against world class opposition. 

    And the King's Gambit, as dubious as it is nowadays, is much sounder than the Barnes'. 

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #50

    Wasteproduct2002

    Boris Spassky was the "Knight of the King's Gambit" and won with it often.  Bobby Fisher won with it many times as well.  After losing to Boris Spassky he wrote the famous "A Bust to the King's Gambit" article.  Yet he won playing the KG after publishing the article.  Hardly sounds like TRASH to me. 

    I don't play it.  But if it makes for a fun game, why not try it? 

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #51

    TheGreatOogieBoogie

    CJ_P wrote:

    The KG scares me, so I play the faulkbeer. And a bad line at that, but not many on my level like the direct refutation ... so i get away with it hehehe

    The Falkbeer is a great move.  I see 2...Bc5 recommended for those who don't know the theory but am personally more comfortable with 2...d5!? myself.  There's an interesting game Carlsen won against it but mostly for the endgame:



  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #52

    fireflashghost

    Wasteproduct2002 wrote:

    Bobby Fisher won with it many times as well.  After losing to Boris Spassky he wrote the famous "A Bust to the King's Gambit" article.  Yet he won playing the KG after publishing the article.  Hardly sounds like TRASH to me. 

    He claimed to have "refuted" the King's Knight Variation with the Fischer Defense, but he played the Bishop's Gambit Variation instead, so it isn't as hypocritical as it may seem.

    I think it's generally agreed that the KG isn't the best choice for White at all, but it definitely leads to some interesting play.  I occasionally use it whenever I decide to mix it up, and I have a friend who uses it regularly and performs well with it, but the majority of people tend to play other openings, such as the Ruy Lopez, Scotch, and even Italian, instead of the King's Gambit, and admittedly for good reasons.

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #53

    cardinal46

    short answer yes

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #54

    Hadron

    Once Fischer's 53 year old article is mentioned I generally stop following a thread because it usually brings out the tin foil hat brigade who refuse to believe that their deity might have got it slightly somewhat..well..wrong.

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #55

    MeTristan

    Yes.

  • 4 weeks ago · Quote · #56

    RCMorea

    No, you are not the only one who thinks this.  However, everyone who thinks this is wrong.


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