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An interesting Sveshnikov sideline


  • 5 months ago · Quote · #1

    the_cheradenine

    I only recently started experimenting with the Sveshnikov after going through a bunch of master games and what is considered the 'main lines' (since I don't have a book on the opening) ... and I've had my first outing with it two weeks ago.

    I've posted the game here (with some annotations/analysis):

    http://blog.chess.com/the_cheradenine/a-fun-line-in-the-sveshnikov

    I decided on the move 11...Nd4 at the board, being unaware of whether it is an actual line or whether it's considered to be sound. It just seemed ok, intuitively (it's a pawn sacrifice). I've found a few games played with it, which seem ok, but my question is: Have you seen this line before? If you're playing the Sveshnikov yourself, what is your take on it? Would you have preferred 11...b4?

    And also - what are the most common lines that you have faced in practice, in club/tournament play? Which do you find to be the most critical/challenging?

    Thx for the feedback :)

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #2

    centercounter

    For awhile, I gave flight to this fanciful idea:

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #3

    the_cheradenine

    Looks interesting... Could you maybe show a game or two of those that you've played? :)

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #4

    centercounter

    I wish I could.  I played this back in the 1980s and I don't have any of my scoresheets from that era.  It was before I started using Chessbase also.  Since then, I've more or less dropped the Sicilian from my repertoire, using it only as a surprise weapon.  I did check and there are some games in Opening Explorer.  My gut feeling is that it can't really be sound, but it is probably usable in normal tournament chess.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #5

    waffllemaster

    Wow, I like this.  This has to have been tried by at least a master somewhere?  Positionally makes great sense, only thing holding it back is that you lose a pawn :)  I'm interested in seeing someone make this work.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #6

    waffllemaster

    Looked it up, it's been tried but had some bad results :)  I like the idea though, will save it for speed games, thanks for sharing it.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #8

    centercounter

    I scored quite well in sub-2200 play in tournament time controls, and never tested it against Masters.  It's certainly "dazzling" enough to befuddle non-Masters.  But IM Pfren is quite correct - and as my intuition already knew, it just had to be bad against accurate play.  In the end, I cannot, in good conscience, advise you to play something against non-Masters that you wouldn't be comfortable with against the best available moves.  Still, those days were fun!

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #9

    the_cheradenine

    Thx for the info :)

    Yes, such moves usually are... Though I see that some people are actually willing to play the following weird move (I only discovered this yesterday, so I guess I really have to look up some of these more obscure lines for when I'm playing White):

    So, there d5 obviously works, in a sense that I don't think it's refuted (I think it is actually covered in one of the newer books, Dangerous Weapons: The Sicilian, or something like that, I know I've looked it up yesterday)
  • 5 months ago · Quote · #10

    Here_Is_Plenty

    Punished more severely than having ruptured pawns and a deficit in development?  And is that "cheradenine" as in the book "Use of weapons"?

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #11

    the_cheradenine

    Haha, yes! It's one of my favorite books (as I'm really a Iain M. Banks fan :D) - but no one had recognized the name before :)

    Yes, I know, the position is just hideous for Black, I am wondering why they have covered it in their book... it's obviously not a more promising response and it's dismantled quite easily... or maybe I'm missing something? After all, I haven't seen the book, I've just seen the chapter titles "Taking the Sting Out of the Open Sicilian"

    http://www.chessville.com/reviews/DangerousWeaponsNimzoIndian_and_Sicilian.htm

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #13

    waffllemaster

    Reminds me of an old smyslov game where he as white gave himself similar pawns.  The annotations said something about him not respecting his opponent :)  50 some moves later they drew.

    The main drawback I see is black has no way to play for a win, and basically, like smyslov, wants to prove they can draw an ugly position.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #14

    centercounter

    I am not quite so optimistic... I try to prove that I can lose an ugly position.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #16

    waffllemaster

    Haha, well, you're right.  I shouldn't have said "no way"

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #17

    the_cheradenine

    Well, this might be an old analysis of the line, but here is an example of how White can play for an advantage in that endgame:

    http://www.chesscafe.com/text/lane124.pdf

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #19

    benonidoni

    Concerning move 11 c4: Rogozenko " is harmless requiring some knowledge from b lack. Black equalizes with b4 knc2 a5 be2 0-0 0-0 bg5."

    Fritz 13 " the move KNd4 instead of b4 gives black about a .33 loss.

    Mullon 2313- Tirard 2399 0-1 megadatabase 2009

    Used 11 KND4 Rogozenko" immediately using the drawback of whites previous move"

     

    In the sveshnikov reloaded by quality chess and Rogozenko most of the material concerns the c3 rather than c4 opening. He emphasizes the move b4 after c4 with a5 to equalize: Point being is that c3 is a much better move than c4 although needs very accurate play.


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