Barnes opening Hammerschalg.

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26th June 2009, 04:11pm
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by rich
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Does this opening score a inaccuracy for white? And what are the benefits from it exactly?

 

26th June 2009, 04:14pm
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by mattattack99
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The only benefits I see are for the black player.

26th June 2009, 04:17pm
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by rich
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In what way ?

26th June 2009, 04:19pm
#4
by ih8sens
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Lol I played that today :P. 

Technically there is one advantage... in this position white's king is slightly closer to the center... if he's able to keep himself safe, he may have certain advantages in an endgame :P.

 

But seriously, it's terrible.

26th June 2009, 04:23pm
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by rich
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Once I played 1.f4 Kf2 but not quite the same ! does it score a inaccuracy for white ?

26th June 2009, 04:34pm
#6
by mattattack99
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This is called the Gedult's opening Hammerschlag, the barnes is 1. e4 f6. And to respond to your question, Chessmaster 10th Edtion says it is a book move, so I don't think it is considered an inaccuracy.

26th June 2009, 04:36pm
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by rich
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But according to chess.com this is the barnes hammerschalg. I think 1.f3 b5 Kf2 is the Fried Fox Pork Chop Opening.

26th June 2009, 04:39pm
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by mattattack99
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Chessmaster says the Fried Fox is reached 1. e4 f6 2. d4 Kf7.

26th June 2009, 06:48pm
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by ih8sens
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To use Nimzovich... if a move doesn't gain tempo, or work towards the control of the center, it's an innacuracy in the opening.  Basically meaning moves that aren't e4, d4, Nf3, and Nc3 are wrong first moves :P.

 

But yeah... f3 would be considered innacurate... but don't take my word for it... ask your friendly neighbourhood master :P.

26th June 2009, 06:57pm
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by LYCAN148
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ih8sens wrote:

To use Nimzovich... if a move doesn't gain tempo, or work towards the control of the center, it's an innacuracy in the opening.  Basically meaning moves that aren't e4, d4, Nf3, and Nc3 are wrong first moves :P.

 

But yeah... f3 would be considered innacurate... but don't take my word for it... ask your friendly neighbourhood master :P.


BUT IT DOES WORK TOWARD THE CENTRE

f3 controls e4:)

26th June 2009, 06:57pm
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by LYCAN148
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ih8sens wrote:

To use Nimzovich... if a move doesn't gain tempo, or work towards the control of the center, it's an innacuracy in the opening.  Basically meaning moves that aren't e4, d4, Nf3, and Nc3 are wrong first moves :P.

 

But yeah... f3 would be considered innacurate... but don't take my word for it... ask your friendly neighbourhood master :P.


oh,and c4 and f4 are also fine openings

26th June 2009, 08:09pm
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by PaladinIsBack192
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SO CUTE! ...

27th June 2009, 12:21am
#13
by Estragon
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This is a legendary opening.  It's absolutely about the worst White can play - what the heck is he thinking? - but it was played regularly in the '90s on the Internet Chess Club by a player who demolished nearly everyone with it.  The rumor was that the player was Bobby Fischer, although no one ever proved it.  The player was beating masters rather easily with it, which means he must have been a very strong GM, no matter who he was. 

It might just as easily have been someone like Ivanchuk or Shirov, though.  Just the sort of stunt those guys might pull, and they were strong enough to pull it off, even back then!

 

Cool

27th June 2009, 01:16pm
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by mattattack99
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ih8sens wrote:

To use Nimzovich... if a move doesn't gain tempo, or work towards the control of the center, it's an innacuracy in the opening.  Basically meaning moves that aren't e4, d4, Nf3, and Nc3 are wrong first moves :P.

 

But yeah... f3 would be considered innacurate... but don't take my word for it... ask your friendly neighbourhood master :P.


f4, c4, b3, and g3 are all acceptable as well.

27th June 2009, 01:21pm
#15
by rich
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PaladinIsBack192 wrote:

SO CUTE! ...


 What the binnacles.

27th June 2009, 06:13pm
#16
by BasketballPlayer
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The benifit is white can't castle now!

27th June 2009, 06:17pm
#17
by rich
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lol...

27th June 2009, 06:31pm
#18
by SerbianChessStar
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Well it looks like black can control the center,

and your knight is trapped in, and it'll take you 2 xtra moves to manually castle,

WHAT A HUGE BENEFIT FOR WHITE!

coughs -- sorry my throat

27th June 2009, 06:57pm
#19
by rich
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Yes this gives this opening gives white a perfect start to the game.

27th June 2009, 07:01pm
#20
by pakitine
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When in doubt, experiment. So I'm going over to my Fritz 8. See you in a little while. The outcomes are in my next (following ) posts

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