Black response to 1.e4

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16th June 2009, 06:39pm
#1
by RyanMK
Iowa United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
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After >1 year of playing almost exclusively 1...e5 in response to e4, I've finally decided to change as I find that I dislike many of the positions I encounter as black. To narrow the responses down, here are some things about my play, and what I'm looking for in the opening:

-I hate positions such as 4 knights game, guico piano, (closed) ruy lopez... I find them a tad boring. I know they can be tactical when certain lines are played, but white often plays symmetrical, boring lines.

-I don't care if it's hypermodern or classical, as long as it's a well-respected opening. I play classical (1.e4) as white, but use indian systems against 1...d4. (No borg defense or anything of the like)

-I've played a couple games in the sicilian (dragon and 2...e6), but haven't found a line that particularly appeals to me.

-I've dabbled in the French, but generally dislike closed games with locked, immobile pawn centers.

-I prefer sound openings if possible, but not scared to play sharp, aggressive lines. (True chess.com rating of probably 1850ish)

 

Thanks for the responses and your help!

16th June 2009, 06:41pm
#2
by KillaBeez
Kansas United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 4047

As you likely know, I recommend the French.  The pawn centers are not immobile if you know what you are doing.  I found that the French is great for beating lower rated players and for hanging in there against the masters.

16th June 2009, 07:40pm
#3
by hammer-54
Melbourne, Fla. United States
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 42

I like the French because it is not hard to learn. There are many forms of counterplay I have found.I use it agaqinst lower rayted players and it gives me(Ibelieve) better drawing chances against much higher rated players.I also use the Sicilian, but there are so many variations, I tend to use only 2 or 3 of them.Higher rated players tend to know more about the Sicilian, so I use it mostly when I am bored against lower rated players.Note: I'm not a good player.

16th June 2009, 07:57pm
#4
by pvmike
Voorhees, NJ United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 936

I prefer 1....e5 but the french solid, even if the center gets locked black gets good play get good counter play on the queenside.

16th June 2009, 08:14pm
#5
by RyanMK
Iowa United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 2239
poopthrower wrote:

1...b6 and the rest is easy.


 Interesting, but could you tell me the benefits/plans of this response? I've heard of the French defense, but not much about this.

16th June 2009, 08:28pm
#6
by pvmike
Voorhees, NJ United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 936

b6 is playable, it's more flexible than the french, but white get's control of the center and easy development. Here is a typical line

16th June 2009, 08:38pm
#7
by AnthonyCG
Washington DC United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 2410
The pirc and modern (1...d6/1...g6) are aggressive ways to combat 1.e4. It's a try by Black to go for the win so it's tricky to use. There is one line where White can go for a draw but you can avoid it when you need to. If you play any benoni systems vs d4 you can try the Franco-Benoni system (1.e4 e6 2.d4 c5) where you can send the game into a Benoni.
16th June 2009, 08:44pm
#8
by fiver
San Francisco United States
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 52

you could look at the pirc. it fits your first point, is hypermodern, is the 5th most popular response on the game explorer (behind c6, e6, e5, and c5), can resemble indian defenses, and can be dangerous but is sound. source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pirc_defense

 

16th June 2009, 08:56pm
#9
by RyanMK
Iowa United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 2239

Thanks for all the responses. Although b6 looks like a solid, flexible move, I would like something a little more forcing and a little less out of book. I'm looking at the pirc and french, and they seem solid, yet aggressive and I will try them out to see which I like. I am still open for more input as I may find something I like more.

16th June 2009, 09:00pm
#10
by RyanMK
Iowa United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 2239

Oh, and as I'm considering learning the French, does anyone have good lines against the main four variations (Classic, Tarrasch, Advance, Exchange)?

17th June 2009, 02:59pm
#11
by kyten44
SC United States
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 16

I am learning the center counter and i like it. it starts the game fast like a smack in the face!  1..D5  2 ExD5 QxD5 3 Nc3...

It is at least forcing!?!

17th June 2009, 03:04pm
#12
by ericmittens
London, ON Canada
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 1823

The Scandinavian is a good choice as you can get it in all your white games against 1.e4 without deviation.

Still, 1...e5 really is the best for beginners.

17th June 2009, 09:37pm
#13
by RyanMK
Iowa United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 2239
ericmittens wrote:

The Scandinavian is a good choice as you can get it in all your white games against 1.e4 without deviation.

Still, 1...e5 really is the best for beginners.


 That's why I played 1...e5 for my first 4 years of dabbling around and first full year of competitive chess =) And yes, although the scandanavian is forcing, I think white maintains a solid advantage through the opening and in to the endgame.

17th June 2009, 09:49pm
#14
by ericmittens
London, ON Canada
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Member Points: 1823

I don't know about the Qxd5 lines...

But I had a look at the Nf6 lines briefly maybe a month ago and according to the latest theory black was doing fine in all the critical tries. For those interested chesslecture.com came out with a 5 or 6 part series on the Nf6 scandi a year or so ago that was very good.

17th June 2009, 10:18pm
#15
by PaladinIsBack192
Canada
Member Since: May 2009
Member Points: 133

try the sicilian kan. easy to understand.

1. e4 c5

2.Nf3 and then

2. ...e6

17th June 2009, 10:19pm
#16
by BorgQueen
Adelaide Australia
Member Since: Aug 2008
Member Points: 4166

I kinda like the Petroff's.

The borg defense to d4?  Now that sounds like an interesting one... gonna have to learn that one :Þ

17th June 2009, 10:20pm
#17
by RyanMK
Iowa United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 2239
BorgQueen wrote:

I kinda like the Petroff's.

The borg defense to d4?  Now that sounds like an interesting one... gonna have to learn that one :Þ


 Sorry about that. I originally didn't have the second sentence in there. Then I edited it and didn't read it through again Laughing

17th June 2009, 10:43pm
#18
by Jenkins12
Melbourne Australia
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 33

Don't forget the Caro-Kann. Rock solid.

17th June 2009, 10:44pm
#19
by PaladinIsBack192
Canada
Member Since: May 2009
Member Points: 133
RyanMK wrote:
BorgQueen wrote:

I kinda like the Petroff's.

The borg defense to d4?  Now that sounds like an interesting one... gonna have to learn that one :Þ

 Sorry about that. I originally didn't have the second sentence in there. Then I edited it and didn't read it through again


 

try the sicilian kan. it has a hedgehog type of position. the objective is to achieve a flexible, weakness free position. In a game i saw, black controlled 3 ranks, white controled 4 and there was a no mans land of 1 rank where no white piece could enter. With the Kan piece placement, one usually aims for a kinside attack but a queenside attack is not out of the question.

17th June 2009, 10:52pm
#20
by RyanMK
Iowa United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 2239

Thanks for everybody's suggestions, they really helped narrow down the choices. After playing a few games with each, I like the French defense the best. If anyone has any good lines in the French, feel free to post them, but otherwise you have helped me answer my question. Thanks again, Ryan.

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