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This was a fun Budapest gambit blitz game miniature...
@pfren: I think there is a good reason to play Bf4 before Nf3. 3 Nf3 is met by 3... Bc4 forcing e3 and locking whites dark-square-bishy inside the pawn chain. And (if I remember correctly) winning the pawn back in an uncomplicated manner.
Gelfand - Rapport 0-1:
in blitz game is normal weapon for yuor opponents
I do not know ANY good reason to play Bf4 BEFORE Nf3: the bishop is perfectly placed at b2. White would have a very safe positional advantage in the game with the simple 10.b3 instead of 10.Kh1 (and 10.Na4!? is also a good move). Gelfand's f4 was simply ill-timed.
Black's problem is not winning the pawn back- as a matter of fact, white's best strategy is not bothering about the extra pawn. It is not falling to a passive position.
The whole white concept was nicely analysed by Kiril Georgiev in his book "Squeezing the Gambits".
Well Good Sir, that was quick reply in this old thread!
I did not wish to argue with you, nor did I intend to appear assertive. I wished only to contemplate different perspectives. So please let me restart completely by asking: in your line, if black goes for the bishop check you would intercept with 5 Bd2, yes? And is that the main reason for you to avoid 4 Bf4, is to avoid the permanent complications of the doubled c-pawns (or the temporarily cramped stuff after 5 Nbd2), am I correct? And if I may kindly ask you (instead of me) to speculate, what do you think GM Seirawan's motives be for very strongly preferring the afforementioned Bf4 ?
Seirawan has a saying that in chess there are "head-hunters and pawn-grubbers". He describes himself as a pawn-grubber, he really likes to take and keep pawns, and sometimes too he'll say "gifft me the pawn".
This is probably why he chooses a line which keeps the pawn, it is based on his personal preference.
So please let me restart completely by asking: in your line, if black goes for the bishop check you would intercept with 5 Bd2, yes?
First, I would try hard to understand the point behind 4...Bb4+. I would most probably fail, and after that picking between 5.Nc3 and 5.Bd2 is a matter of taste- both look good enough for a serious advantage. Probably 5.Nc3 is the better move, as it keeps Bg5 options open. If Black wants to double white's pawns at c3/c4, he will be a couple of tempos behind the Bf4/Qd5 lines, since white does not had to play things like Bf4 and Qd5.
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