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21st November 2009, 04:25pm
#1
by WellRounded
United States
Member Since: Feb 2009
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I've noticed that I have a lot of trouble after my opponent plays c3 in a kings pawn game, both as white as well as black.  I'm trying to figure out what my goal should be when this happens.  My trouble comes because It seems like the c3 d4 move gains so much control of the middle, and I don't know how to combat that.  I think I'm probably being a little too vague, but if anyone understands what I'm asking I'd appreciate some input on how perhaps my goal should change, or where I might be stronger after this move.

 

I mean, if I take the pawn my opponent gains an extra center pawn, if I don't, they can push the pawn forcing my knight to move as well as getting pretty strong control of the center.

21st November 2009, 04:26pm
#2
by asampedas
Shah Alam Malaysia
Member Since: Jun 2009
Member Points: 516

Maybe you could include a diagram for all of us to see.

21st November 2009, 04:36pm
#3
by WellRounded
United States
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asampedas wrote:

Maybe you could include a diagram for all of us to see.


Edited.

21st November 2009, 04:41pm
#4
by asampedas
Shah Alam Malaysia
Member Since: Jun 2009
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Woah, it seems quite hard to counter that!

Maybe you could just let white control the center in the opening first, then come up with a counter in the middlegame.

Does it work?

21st November 2009, 04:51pm
#5
by Conquistador
Orlando United States
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This opening is too slow.

1.e4 e5 2.Nf3 Nc6 3.c3 d5! and black equalizes easily.

21st November 2009, 04:53pm
#6
by WellRounded
United States
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Well that's why I was saying that I didn't actually mean the moves played in that order, rather the position of the c pawn, this can be reached even after several other moves.

21st November 2009, 04:55pm
#7
by WGM Natalia_Pogonina
Saratov Russia
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This c3 move is actually not strong. I guess you may just counter it with 3...Nf6 (exploiting the fact that the e4 pawn is unprotected). If 4.d4 (other moves are artificial) then ed 5.e5 (White's pawn is hanging!) Nd5 6.cd Bb4 7.Bd2 Bd2 8.Nbd2 0-0 and Black has a comfortable position since White is behind on development.

21st November 2009, 04:56pm
#8
by Conquistador
Orlando United States
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d5 or Nf6 would be acceptable responses.

21st November 2009, 07:21pm
#9
by WellRounded
United States
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Natalia_Pogonina wrote:

This c3 move is actually not strong. I guess you may just counter it with 3...Nf6 (exploiting the fact that the e4 pawn is unprotected). If 4.d4 (other moves are artificial) then ed 5.e5 (White's pawn is hanging!) Nd5 6.cd Bb4 7.Bd2 Bd2 8.Nbd2 0-0 and Black has a comfortable position since White is behind on development.


I had just read your article on Getting Better at Chess before you posted, great article.  Thank's for the input, I've kind of understood that it wasn't exactly a strong move, but it was one that I've found throws me off a bit, But I think I see the weakness of the e4 pawn.   I guess you get ahead in development because white looses a tempo on ...cxd.

21st November 2009, 07:34pm
#10
by 64_block_square
Calamba City Philippines
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Member Points: 106

WGM Natalia Pagonia is right, it is  really a weak move, you can just counter it with Nf6, and since he cant move Nc3 to protect the e-pawn he will be forced to move d3 which gives your opponent an early bad bishop...

22nd November 2009, 05:52am
#11
by Syntax_error
Nowhere Canada
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Member Points: 96

d5 is a normal response to c3 in alot of openings like the alpin in the Sicilian etc. Since after recapture on d5 with the queen it has a strong position since nc3 is not possible, unless white wants to accept an isolated d pawn.

22nd November 2009, 07:26am
#12
by Absurd
Melbourne Australia
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 265

There are some trappy lines after 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3 Nf6 4. d4 exd4 5. e5 where black needs to play precisely to avoid disaster. I think that White should be able to reclaim the gambit pawn in most cases.

 

After 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. c3 d5 4. Qa4 (if I recall the line correctly), it's a pretty chaotic, roughly equal game. Like most openings, it's a question of appropriate timing.

 

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