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Caro-Kann fantasy variation novelty


  • 5 years ago · Quote · #2

    Fortiscue

    Hard to tell what to make of your variation.

    The databases show a number of fairly recent matchups using your line up through the knight's return to g8.

    I feel like it's tough to give a fair evaluation here, because the variation shown relies pretty heavily on trading off the light squared bishops, and giving yourself that nice f5, light-squared post for the knight, once the opposing bishop isn't around to harass him.

    But what is white's bishop doing on d3 to begin with?  He doesn't seem to be serving any purpose there, just development for development's sake.  It's a lot more common in the fantasy variation to delay development of white's KB until its strategic relevance becomes clear.

    Standard attacking development, a la Be3, Qd2, etc., and you're a tempo or two down and looking down the barrel of a loaded gun.

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #5

    FirebrandX

    llamalord, I think white is a little better in your line by simply offering a poison pawn sac that black cannot accept:

     

    I think white has good endgame prospects going into this position.

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #7

    FirebrandX

    It will be hard to find anything better for black. For example: 8...Qc7 9. Ng3 g6 10. Bxh6 Bxh6 11. Bxf5 and black has to go down a pawn.

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #8

    Fortiscue

    llamalord42 wrote:
    Fortiscue wrote:

    ard to tell what to make of your variation.

    The databases show a number of fairly recent matchups using your line up through the knight's return to g8.

    I feel like it's tough to give a fair evaluation here, because the variation shown relies pretty heavily on trading off the light squared bishops, and giving yourself that nice f5, light-squared post for the knight, once the opposing bishop isn't around to harass him.

    But what is white's bishop doing on d3 to begin with?  He doesn't seem to be serving any purpose there, just development for development's sake.  It's a lot more common in the fantasy variation to delay development of white's KB until its strategic relevance becomes clear.

    Standard attacking development, a la Be3, Qd2, etc., and you're a tempo or two down and looking down the barrel of a loaded gun.


    1.Forcing e5 at the cost of a tempo is fine because the position is closed, plus f3 hardly counts as a constructive tempo.

    2. The knight is actually best placed on g8, because it is a flexible transition to h6, f5, e7, or c6.

    3. "Standard attacking development" is pretty well met:

     

    I do understand you are just trying to help me out, so thanks anyway. If you can find a hole in the analysis anywhere, please point it out :)

    White didn't play the obligatory prophylactic Kb1 in the given variation.  After which, the black attack amounts to little.  Sorry that where I am now is a little bandwidth-sparse, so I'm not going to plod through a graphic, but after Kb1...Nd7, Ne2...c4, Ng3 drives back the bishop while freeing the white's same, and Bb5, after which black's king is stranded in the middle for the remainder of the game, white is fully developed, and half of black's army lies motionless on the kingside.  This is at least +/=.

    The bigger issue, I think, is that white is by no means under compulsion to allow so much counterplay on the Q-side.  After Be3...h4, white comes c4 and black's counterplay is squashed, while at the same time, Bf5 ideas leave b7 hopelessly weak to a suddenly mobile white queen.  I'm just fiddling around on my brain board, but I don't see an easy path to equality for black here.

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #10

    kevinjin

    My only opinion is that playing your novelty, e6 has to be defended. Else, white could cramp all of black's position together and with Qh5 check start an attack, all from one pawn sac

  • 5 years ago · Quote · #11

    Estragon

    My only observation is:  If the Knight is so well placed on g8, then WHY did it move to f6 in the first place?  It wasn't preventing any move of White's, it's "threat" on e4 merely provokes White into doing what he will have to do anyway if Black refuses to play ...d5xe4, yet it wastes two moves getting to the square upon which it is well placed . . . and started from.

    If Black doesn't wish to grab the pawn and defend the gambit, his best approach is to ignore it, when the move f2-f3 only gets in the way of White's further development.  White will shortly have to play e4-e5 and f3-f4 anyway if he expects to get anywhere, so Black should be using the extra tempo to advance his own plan of development instead of wasting time.

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #13

    rf65

    llamalord42 wrote:
     
    White didn't play the obligatory prophylactic Kb1 in the given variation.  After which, the black attack amounts to little.  Sorry that where I am now is a little bandwidth-sparse, so I'm not going to plod through a graphic, but after Kb1...Nd7, Ne2...c4, Ng3 drives back the bishop while freeing the white's same, and Bb5, after which black's king is stranded in the middle for the remainder of the game, white is fully developed, and half of black's army lies motionless on the kingside.  This is at least +/=.

    The bigger issue, I think, is that white is by no means under compulsion to allow so much counterplay on the Q-side.  After Be3...h4, white comes c4 and black's counterplay is squashed, while at the same time, Bf5 ideas leave b7 hopelessly weak to a suddenly mobile white queen.  I'm just fiddling around on my brain board, but I don't see an easy path to equality for black here.


    The move order last time was innaccurate, due to c4, which, although only +/= after dxc4, is troublesome. A better move order:

     

    Black's attack is extremely strong in this variation, and his king is completely safe in the center.

    I'm not so sure.  The problem is that 21...Bxb2 loses instantly to 22. Qd6++

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #14

    rf65

    "Black's attack is extremely strong in this variation, and his king is completely safe in the center."

    I'm not so sure.  The problem is that 21...Bxb2 loses instantly to 22. Qd6++

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #16

    AtahanT

    Against people who know some theory youll be faced with this instead of that quite inferior line you gave for black:

  • 4 years ago · Quote · #17

    FirebrandX

    Which is the same line I play after watching IM Shankland use it to dismantle GM Robson at the junior champ finals.


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