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Sam_the_soccer_man
are two bishops better than a castle? I know two bishops would equal six points and a rook is only 5 points. But I find it easier to checkmate with a king and a rook then a king and two bishops?
benws
It really depends on the situation. It is easier to checkmate with a king and a rock than with a king and two bishops, however.
LittlePersian
1 bishop goes on black square and 1 on white, so you can check them to the corner and then bring in your king to finish of.
not true
you have to move your king more than the bishops. the bishops push the king to the corner.
paulgottlieb
It is true that it's easier to checkmate with K+R against a bare K than 2B against a bare K, but how often to you trade down to either ending? In most middle and endgame positions, the 2 Bishops will be stronger than the single rook--often decisively so. There are exceptions when the Rook can feast on a bunch of crippled pawns,l but the 2B are usually better
trysts
I would take two bishops against Rook and two pawns.
nice point
uhohspaghettio
Two bishops are far better, the bishop pair is worth an extra half pawn so it's 6.5 versus 5.
Two bishops lording over the board in open spaces in the middle/end-game is a thing to behold, and is sometimes reason enough to resign on the spot!
The only reason that you find rooks easier to checkmate with is that you have more practice with it!!! It's just as easy if not easier to mate with two bishops.
If you like, you can very often exchange your bishops and knight for a rook and pawn close to the opening on your opponent's f7 and f2 square, and see how a good player dispatches you from it.
true
gwnn
In the middlegame, two bishops are often better than even R+N, provided the position is relatively open and you can attack. (I'm not making this up, I read this from Yusupov I think).
Also, it is just about automatic to checkmate with two bishops. It is tricky to do it with a knight and a bishop, I learned to do it twice already but I always forget (because it never comes up). Actually I saw a game between 2700+ grandmasters where the losing side let their opponent play it out until mate in 3 or 4 was elementary. You would never see that with K+2B v K.
good suggeestion
gwnn you may be referring to a Ponomariov-Nakamura game from the recent match with the KBN vs K thing!
Two bishops are much better than a rook in 90% of situations.
No, it was in the European Championships in April. I might be able to find it, but it's not important.
In the Ponomariov game I think he resigned immediately.
rich
Bishop pair is better than 1 Rook.
theblindtiger
id take the bishops.
i think i would too
Estragon
I disagree that it is any easier to mate with K+R v K than with 2B. They are like the table-side chef at some Japanese restaurants, slicing and dicing and turning and tossing with the sharp blades . . . people only think the Rook is easier because the mate is simpler to learn (only 2 pieces to coordinate), but from most starting positions I suspect the Bs would mate in fewer moves.
I tried which would mate faster and the rooks won!. But i would still choose bishops
k
thanks for the tip
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