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  • 2 years ago · Quote · #1

    Sam_the_soccer_man

    are two bishops better than a castle?    I know two bishops would equal six points and a rook is only 5 points. But I find it easier to checkmate with a king and a rook then a king and two bishops?

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #2

    benws

    It really depends on the situation. It is easier to checkmate with a king and a rock than with a king and two bishops, however.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #3

    LittlePersian

    1 bishop goes on black square and 1 on white, so you can check them to the corner and then bring in your king to finish of.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #4

    Sam_the_soccer_man

    not true

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #5

    Sam_the_soccer_man

    you have to move your king more than the bishops. the bishops push the king to the corner.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #6

    paulgottlieb

    It is true that it's easier to checkmate with K+R against a bare K than 2B against a bare K, but how often to you trade down to either ending? In most middle and endgame positions, the 2 Bishops will be stronger than the single rook--often decisively so. There are exceptions when the Rook can feast on a bunch of crippled pawns,l but the 2B are usually better

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #7

    trysts

    I would take two bishops against Rook and two pawns.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #8

    Sam_the_soccer_man

    nice point

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #9

    uhohspaghettio

    Two bishops are far better, the bishop pair is worth an extra half pawn so it's 6.5 versus 5.

    Two bishops lording over the board in open spaces in the middle/end-game is a thing to behold, and is sometimes reason enough to resign on the spot! 

    The only reason that you find rooks easier to checkmate with is that you have more practice with it!!! It's just as easy if not easier to mate with two bishops.

    If you like, you can very often exchange your bishops and knight for a rook and pawn close to the opening on your opponent's f7 and f2 square, and see how a good player dispatches you from it.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #10

    Sam_the_soccer_man

    true

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #11

    gwnn

    In the middlegame, two bishops are often better than even R+N, provided the position is relatively open and you can attack. (I'm not making this up, I read this from Yusupov I think).

    Also, it is just about automatic to checkmate with two bishops. It is tricky to do it with a knight and a bishop, I learned to do it twice already but I always forget (because it never comes up). Actually I saw a game between 2700+ grandmasters where the losing side let their opponent play it out until mate in 3 or 4 was elementary. You would never see that with K+2B v K.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #12

    Sam_the_soccer_man

    good suggeestion

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #13

    gwnn

    ajedrecito wrote:

    gwnn you may be referring to a Ponomariov-Nakamura game from the recent match with the KBN vs K thing!

    Two bishops are much better than a rook in 90% of situations.


    No, it was in the European Championships in April. I might be able to find it, but it's not important.

    In the Ponomariov game I think he resigned immediately.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #14

    rich

    Bishop pair is better than 1 Rook.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #15

    theblindtiger

    id take the bishops.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #16

    Sam_the_soccer_man

     i think i would too

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #17

    Estragon

    I disagree that it is any easier to mate with K+R v K than with 2B.  They are like the table-side chef at some Japanese restaurants, slicing and dicing and turning and tossing with the sharp blades . . . people only think the Rook is easier because the mate is simpler to learn (only 2 pieces to coordinate), but from most starting positions I suspect the Bs would mate in fewer moves.

  • 2 years ago · Quote · #18

    Sam_the_soccer_man

    I tried which would mate faster and the rooks won!. But i would still choose bishops

  • 23 months ago · Quote · #19

    Sam_the_soccer_man

    k

  • 23 months ago · Quote · #20

    Sam_the_soccer_man

    thanks for the tip


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