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1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nf6 3. Bb5 Qf6
I despise this line, as I usually don't know how to proceed and eventually make mistakes. Black usually puts their bishop on c5, which creates problems on f2.
I figured it isn't mainline for a reason and wanted to know how good players smash this line.
all 4.0-0 , d3 , Nc3 and c3 are playable.
though I think c3 is better than others.
it provides d4 : white`s got a good center and the black`s queen which white can gain tempo through.
0-0 followed by c3 is a nice plan imo
There's nothing wrong, or complicated about 4.0-0 followed by c3 and d4.
wow right after alexlaw said he needs pfren, pfren showed up
Also, it seems i got it right this time :D
These are the sort of moves that are instructional to study. What are the pros and cons of the move? (I usually have my students make this list but here are a few highlights)
I am assuming that your move is Nc6 (not Nf6) since 2. Bb5 is a mistake
Pros - active square for the queen, defends the e5 pawn from attack, helps control d4. puts pressure on f2
cons: occupies the most active square for the g8 knight, which would help pressure the e4 pawn, and supports the natural counter central blow d5 , leaves c7 unprotected, queen is exposed to attack by Bg5 . Black also needs additional moves to complete kingside development and castle.
Based on this logic you can find some plans if you have a good knowledge of the various ideas in the classical systems of e4 e5 openings. the big question is does this move really stop the main plan of the ruy lopez of c3 and d4 in an effective manner?
i checked the games explorer and black usually doesnt opt for the a6 b5 plan right away
Bc5 was most popular
i dont have rybka but i do have fritz 13 ;)
I looked at few games by strong players and this is what black played. no clear win on comp but black is walking a tightrope to just avoid bring crushed.no fun to play otb with a clock ticking
To be honest I really dont need an IM or master to tell me that c3 is a strong idea and a very challenging one. I have looked at similar Qf6 ideas vs the italian game and the fail there too .
This was the line I used to play... without 3.Qf6, but later on.
The key to playing against unusual moves like this is to resist temptation.
If you've learned a bit about the game, you know this can't be a good move for Black - TonyH has given a good account of why on the 1st page. But human nature makes you want to PUNISH Black for his audacity, and that's exactly the WRONG approach.
Don't try to destroy it. Instead, exploit it. Does the move do anything to disrupt White's normal plans in the Ruy? Not really - the Q does protect e5 & c6 and keep an eye on d4, but that's not something to worry White.
The indicated idea is just to play 4 0-0 and probably 5 c3, proceeding with the normal White Ruy plan of advancing d4 next, and see what else Black does. The drawbacks of Qf6 are liable to show up down the road, when the Q is exposed and in the way of her own pieces; let it happen. Let Black sort out his own problems while White develops a normal plan of central control and transferring pieces to the Kingside for a potential attack.
Check this out, you need to. We made quite a big analysis (I think) about it...
Thanks for the help guys!
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