Dangerous Bc4!!!

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28th December 2007, 06:58pm
#1
by herbert0611
Quezon City Philippines
Member Since: Nov 2007
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White has a 1-pawn advantage and Positional Advantage!!

28th December 2007, 10:19pm
#2
by Absurd
Toronto Canada
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1. Bc4 isn't an amazing move, and to suggest that it deserves twenty exclamation points is more than a little naive. It's solid, but not stellar.

 

2. 5. ... Nxd5 is the bad move rather than 3. Bc4 being the good one. It allows the Fried Liver Attack (6. Nxf7 Kxf7 7. Qf3+ Ke6, which is how it typically goes, with Black preserving the piece advantage in material for an awkward defensive position), as well as the 6. d4 Lolli Attack, which does offer White some advantage.

  

Might I suggest curbing your enthusiasm a little. 


28th December 2007, 10:35pm
#3
by Dmytro
Kiev Ukraine
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5...Nxd5 is a mistake. Black should play 5...Na5.
28th December 2007, 11:01pm
#4
by Spongebo1
United States
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Member Points: 5

why wouldn't black just play Bc5 playing the Guioco Pianissimo opening?


29th December 2007, 01:00am
#5
by hicetnunc
Neuilly-sur-Seine France
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herbert0611 wrote:

White has a 1-pawn advantage and Positional Advantage!!


 I agree with your assessment after 7...Ke8, but what about 7...Ke6 ?


29th December 2007, 01:08am
#6
by Ormond92620
Irvine United States
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why not? 3. d4!
29th December 2007, 01:19am
#7
by Dmytro
Kiev Ukraine
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Spongebo1 wrote:

why wouldn't black just play Bc5 playing the Guioco Pianissimo opening?


 Yes, it is also possible. But I prefer two knights defense.


29th December 2007, 03:11am
#8
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
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Spongebo1 wrote:

why wouldn't black just play Bc5 playing the Guioco Pianissimo opening?


Some dont play 3....Bc5 because they fear 4b4 !?  the evans gambit .

29th December 2007, 03:39am
#9
by fleiman
Carmiel Israel
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After 3. Bc4 Black also can play 3. ... Be7 - Hungarian Defense in order

to prevent sharp theoretical variants.

29th December 2007, 05:37am
#10
by Dutch_Defense
Cleveland, Ohio United States
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Dmytro wrote: 5...Nxd5 is a mistake. Black should play 5...Na5.

or 5...b5!?

29th December 2007, 05:45am
#11
by NM Reb
Lisbon Portugal
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dutchdefense wrote: Dmytro wrote: 5...Nxd5 is a mistake. Black should play 5...Na5.

or 5...b5!?


Also 5....Nd4 is very playable but I believe theory favors 5....Na5 but after 5....Nxd5?! 6 d4 ! is stronger than 6 Nxf7

29th December 2007, 05:49am
#12
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
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The assessment of the final position shows a serious lack of chess understanding. White stands with a full extra pawn, black's king is unable to castle, and black has no particular threats for white to worry about. This is not a slight advantage, this is a winning advantage.
29th December 2007, 06:16am
#13
by plankgas
Breda Netherlands
Member Since: Nov 2007
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black most play in move 4 not d5 but Bc5

then we speak about chessfun a we have a nice game to playCool


29th December 2007, 06:32am
#14
by benws
NC United States
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3. Bc4 is not an amazing move. It's very common and not the "novelty" that you make it sound like. 3...Bc5 is better for Black.

He also could have played 5..Na5! and 7...Ke6! both of which are good for him. Black didn't put up any resistance.


29th December 2007, 01:56pm
#15
by Absurd
Toronto Canada
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Member Points: 188
I also like 5. ... b5, the Ulvestad Variation of the Two Knights Defense, for Black,
 

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