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do any e4 openings avoid the french defense?


  • 13 months ago · Quote · #41

    nilshero

    look at the game i played straight after this post, compare to first example game of my post Smile

    only difference between position after blacks 56th move in first example game and position after blacks 48th move in my game is: Bishop is on c8 instead of f7. c8 may be a better place, but its still a nasty bishop.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #42

    plutonia

    nilshero wrote:

    look at the game i played straight after this post, compare to first example game of my post

    only difference between position after blacks 56th move in first example game and position after blacks 48th move in my game is: Bishop is on c8 instead of f7. c8 may be a better place, but its still a nasty bishop.

     

     

    Ok, apart that he made you a big favour by opening the c file, your opponent screwed up with 48.Bc8 allowing you to "trap" his bishop, putting his king in zugzwang and invading.

     

    In reality the endgame was an easy draw for black.

    To prove it, I played from this position:

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Against Fritz. Blitz game with 5 minutes per side (even an engine needs a bit of time to calculate stuff). I just places my bishop on f7, moving it to either g8 or e8 to avoid zugzwangs, and using basic opposition principles to not allow the white king to invade.

    Eventually Fritz recognized that it was a draw and the evaluation went down to 0.00, and we reached the 50 moves rule.

     

    If *I* can hold a draw against Fritz, this means that white has nothing in the famous "good knight vs bad bishop"

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #43

    nilshero

    In this concrete position you gave, if *you* can hold a draw against Fritz this means Fritz cant find the win. But the position is a forced win. The GM in example endgame 1, which i gave above, found it.

    Win works as follows: Bring wk to a7 and wn to b7 while bk is on c7 and bb on e8.

    Black is in Zugzwang. If he plays kc7-c8, white plays ka7-b6, if he plays kc7-c6 white plays ka7-b8. If he plays be8-f7 white plays nb7-d6, forcing bf7-g8 and then white wins like shown by the GM in the example game 1. If he plays be8-a4 white wins with nc5. As shown in the following variations, white is able to bring his king to a7 and his knight to b7. It works because white has a beautiful winning manouvre if black plays ..58. ka7 instead of ..58. bf7. All endpositions of following variations have comments giving evaluation. "+-" means "white wins", "=" means "draw", just in case someone doesnt know.

    Concrete Variations:


    Having said all that: I agree with you that this endgame is probably a draw if you start earlier (eg. if black doesnt give me the c file), however, white has a lasting slight advantage in my opinion. Thats more than in some other main variations like eg. Najdorf or Berlin Wall. This endgame is quite a passive thing. i would not play it with black, not my favour. But if one knows it well with black it may be a strategy for blitz games, to hope that white doesnt find the best moves in time and starts to play garbage.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #44

    fianchetto123

    well, we just have to wait until this guy gets banned

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #45

    nilshero

    fianchetto123 hat geschrieben:

    well, we just have to wait until this guy gets banned

    What are you talking about?

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #46

    plutonia

    Thank you for the detailed explanation nilshero, I appreciate.


    However, I am still not convinced.

    You showed me the win, but this depended on white having a reserve tempo with the pawn. If we do the same position but without that tempo:

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

     

    Then I don't see how white could ever win. We know that the knight can never lose a tempo, so if I keep moving my bishop between f7 and e8 there's never going to be a time when white puts his knight on f4 without me automatically responding Bf7. White would be in zugzwang, not black.

     

    Moreover, in the position in question white already has a really advanced king. There wasn't the need to allow that. Black should have pushed his queenside pawns much earlier in the game (it just makes logical sense: you have a bishop you want to open up the game on general principle). This would have led either to a blockade (making it even harder to penetrate) or to a liquidation where black could have had a much more active king (instead of having it in the last line of defence) or even better, freed his bishop.

     

    I agree with you, and thanks for demonstrating, that it's all lost once white invades. Just like a king and pawn ending, king invasion is decisive.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #47

    screech43

    don't worry about faceing the french. It's really easy to play against 

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #48

    SocialPanda

    I don´t know the name of this system.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #50

    owltuna

    screech43 wrote:

    don't worry about faceing the french. It's really easy to play against 

    This is one of the funniest things I have ever read. At least chess related, anyway; I would hope to think I am not that hopeless a nerd!

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #51

    owltuna

    pfren wrote:
    plutonia wrote:
     Then I don't see how white could ever win....

    Work this out more carefully, and I'm sure you will find out that white wins without any real trouble.

    Sounds like a fun challenge.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #52

    skakmadurinn

    Read the book "Fighting the french a new concept.

    It's just e4-e6 d4-d5 Nd2 and Bd3 c3 Nf3 and o-o in the next moves.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #53

    30minutegame

    screech43 wrote:

    don't worry about faceing the french. It's really easy to play against 

    Plaskett, H James (2515) vs Short, Nigel D (2683)

    Date: 2000-04-30
    Event: 4NCL, Birmingham ENG
    Round: 10
    Result: 1-0
    Opening: French Defense, Tarrasch Variation, Morozevich Variation (C03)
    1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. Nd2 Be7 4. Ngf3 Nf6 5. Bd3 c5 6. c3 Nc6 7. O-O dxe4 8. Nxe4 cxd4 9. cxd4 O-O 10. Nc3 Nb4 11. Bb1 b6 12. Re1 Bb7 13. Ne5 Nbd5 14. Qd3 Rc8 15. Qh3 Nxc3 16. bxc3 Qd5 17. Bd2 g6 18. Bc2 Qa5 19. Qh4 Rxc3 20. Bb3 Nd5 21. Qh6 Bb4 22. Nd7 Rd8 23. Bxd5 Rxd7 24. Rxe6 fxe6 25. Bxe6+ Kh8 26. Bxc3 Rd8 27. Qf4
  • 13 months ago · Quote · #54

    nilshero

    Plutonia,

    i checked this endgame again.

    First, my analysis in my previous post contains a mistake: The endposition of variation 58...be8! (idea 59...ba4!) is a draw, not a win, according to Shredderchess endgame database.

    But there is a win in the endgame, with and without extra tempo. Let me first show you three positions:

    Position 1 (white wins):
    If black to move, he has to play bg8. Then white plays kb5-c6 and wins. If white to move he triangles: kb5 be8+ kb4! bf7 (no time for ..kb6) ka5!

    Position 2 (white wins):
    White plays nb7, idea nd6. Leave it to you to figure out the win. If black answers ..be8, white plays ka7! and we have reached the diagram of my previous post.

    Position 3 (white wins):
    If black to move, it is trivial. White can enter rank six with his king. If white to move, he can reach position 1 or 2. See Variations.

    Question is, can Position 3 be reached? It can, with extratempo ...

    ... and without extratempo:

    Which leads to the conclusion that both positions are won.

    I had much fun analyzing this, hope, you have too Smile

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #55

    SocialPanda

    Crabiano wrote:
    socialista wrote:I don´t know the name of this system.

    I think that is the Reti gambit. Johansson wrote a book on it, though I have never looked into it.

    Thanks for the name, I was checking some games and for some reason there are many games from greek players from the 90s. The gambit looks playable.



  • 13 months ago · Quote · #56

    screech43

    owltuna wrote:
    screech43 wrote:

    don't worry about faceing the french. It's really easy to play against 

    This is one of the funniest things I have ever read. At least chess related, anyway; I would hope to think I am not that hopeless a nerd!

    Sorry that I can't tell haha, but could you please tell me why you think its funny? And you aren't hopeless!

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #57

    owltuna

    It just seems like a really silly thing to say. The only lines (of any opening) I find easy to play against are those where the opponent makes it easy. But maybe I'm wrong. Maybe you have the French defense all figured out. It could happen.

  • 13 months ago · Quote · #58

    samir_naganaworkhere

    I once read somewhere that it's Black that chooses the opening.  If so, how are you to "avoid" an opening?  It's not as if White has any control how Black responds to 1.e4 

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #59

    30minutegame

    Jion_Wansu wrote:
     

     

     



    To avoid the French play the following

    http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chess.pl?eco=C00&node=467482

    Please stop misleading members of this website Jion_Wansu.

  • 12 months ago · Quote · #60

    princejher

    After playing 1.e4 e6 , don't play 2.d4 on your second move or at all so you can avoid the French defense set up by Black.


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