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Hmm at a first glance it looked bad to me, but it does leave alot of room for attacking oppurtunity and quick development

I don't know... I generally try to avoid being a pawn behind so early. But.. for a little bit of developement perhaps it is OK. It looks interesting; next time I play e4 I will try it.

Ive challenged you to a game to test this opening out, if youd like to accept it, unrated naturally

It's the Danish Gambit Accepted / Alekhine Variation. As the name implies, world champion Alekhine played it many times.

JuliusH wrote: I believe this is called the "cente game". Seems like black could play a little better, so it's good for white.

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it's danish gambit.. i think its not good for white if black is a stronger player...

i think its not good for white if black is a stronger player...

 

It's strong below the 1700-level and weak above the 2000-level according to my opening database statistics, so that's a good assessment.

I my opinion, black has not moved well, being only 1 pawn up yet still has all the stronger pieces closed in. Whereas, white can move both bishops, the queen in a number of directions and already has a knight towards the centre.

Whether this is a good opening depends firstly whether you are White or Black. It looks good for white, and yet, how many times have we all played openings which look great at first and yet, a strong player demolish's you within the next couple of moves. It's ok, but no opening fortells the endgame.

It looks like a mirrored Blackmar-Diemar gambit.

So I'm assuming that 1.e4 e5 2.d4 exd 3.Nf3 Nc6 4.c3 is an improvement, like how playing Nc3 before f3 was an improvement over the original Blackmar Gambit. 

i'm a bit of a novice (but quite good apparently)

to my limited knowledge, gambits are sacrifice pieces for early development... wat would white next few moves be?? surely black could win if he just keeps playin safe and swapping off!

queenie wrote: Whether this is a good opening depends firstly whether you are White or Black. It looks good for white, and yet, how many times have we all played openings which look great at first and yet, a strong player demolish's you within the next couple of moves. It's ok, but no opening fortells the endgame.

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you are white

Skillz88 wrote:

i'm a bit of a novice (but quite good apparently)

to my limited knowledge, gambits are sacrifice pieces for early development... wat would white next few moves be?? surely black could win if he just keeps playin safe and swapping off!

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 the next few moves are debated and there are a miriad of different lines, but the most popular I think is...... Bc5.. Nf3..Nf6 and so on.

White has to attack early before black can catch up in development I guess.

JuliusH wrote: I believe this is called the "cente game". Seems like black could play a little better, so it's good for white.

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In the Centre Game, white intends to recapture with the Queen:

 

 

1. e4 e5  2. d4 exd4  3. Qxd4

 

This opening exposes the Queen too early and offers black an early shot at equality. The natural continuation being 3...Nc6 of course. 

Skillz88 wrote:

i'm a bit of a novice (but quite good apparently)

to my limited knowledge, gambits are sacrifice pieces for early development... wat would white next few moves be?? surely black could win if he just keeps playin safe and swapping off!

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 Well, yes, my philosophy is that all true gambits will fail against sound play. However, this is easier said than done. No one will ever play absolutely soundly. So the point of gambits is to create practical winning chances.

wat would white next few moves be??

 

The best way to appreciate this gambit's power is to look at some actual games. Here's a pretty miniature in the Danish Gambit / Alekhine variation. If you want to see more balanced wins, look at Alekhine's own games.

 

i think blacks' 3rd move is more likely to be Bc5, i dont think you can expect black to make a move like 3.dxc3, giving white the advantage in the center.black may be up a pawn but whites position is soooooooo much better

likesforests wrote:

wat would white next few moves be??

 

The best way to appreciate this gambit's power is to look at some actual games. Here's a pretty miniature in the Danish Gambit / Alekhine variation. If you want to see more balanced wins, look at Alekhine's own games.

 

 

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an excellent example!!

An interesting aside: In Denmark, this is known as the Nordic Gambit.