Does anyone play this sometimes as Black?: 1. e4 d5 2. exd5 e6 3. dxe6 Bxe6

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29th September 2008, 10:19am
#1
by Vonzi
Switzerland
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Does anyone play this sometimes as Black?: 1. e4 d5   2. exd5  e6  3. dxe6 Bxe6 ...

29th September 2008, 10:26am
#2
by Jpantonio
Lisboa Portugal
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I don't play... I can't see why should we play that. We lose 1 pawn and we don't win any positional advantage...
29th September 2008, 10:32am
#3
by broze
Bath England
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Isn't this the Icelandic gambit or something?

29th September 2008, 10:55am
#4
by Vonzi
Switzerland
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I dont know the name.

29th September 2008, 11:41am
#5
by pvmike
Voorhees, NJ United States
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the problem with that is white can play the following

29th September 2008, 11:44am
#6
by Mr_XYZ
Netherlands
Member Since: Jun 2008
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It's a transposition to the Boehnke gambit.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I think it's a bit unsound. But if you want to play it play it with 2...e5

30th September 2008, 03:08pm
#7
by trentthechessnut
Picton, NSW Australia
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I prefer to play the portugese variation which the Icelandic gambit comes from:

 

 

 

 

IM David Smerdon plays the Icelandic gambit.  It was also suggested in "gambit opening repertoire for black" by Eric Schiller.

30th September 2008, 06:49pm
#8
by srn347
California United States
Member Since: Jul 2008
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The original question poses something similar to icelandic gambit, but without the advantageous part. Here is how it is done (there are 2 ways to do it).

Note that defending with the knight allows the queen to come out without the strong tempo move and forces a weaker tempo move.

30th September 2008, 07:25pm
#9
by trentthechessnut
Picton, NSW Australia
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srn347 I believe that your first example is actually a transposition into the Caro Kann Panov-Botvinnik variation.

30th September 2008, 07:35pm
#10
by cheesehat
Sydney Australia
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In the Panov-Botvinnik, there is a pawn on d4, a black pawn on d5.

30th September 2008, 07:41pm
#11
by Beelzebub666
Great Britain
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I'm not seeing the advantage for black there?

30th September 2008, 07:53pm
#12
by Peedee
New York United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
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Clearing away BOTH center pawns should always be weighed very heavily.  I really don't see the advantage of doing so.  

Maybe I'd play this in a 5 min game, but in a serious game I'd steer clear.

30th September 2008, 08:04pm
#13
by metaphysicks
lowa United States
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looks like standard icelandic gambit

30th September 2008, 08:35pm
#14
by trentthechessnut
Picton, NSW Australia
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The difference is that there is no pawn on d4.  Its a panov botvinnik related line shall we say.

3rd July 2009, 01:05am
#15
by Scarblac
Arnhem Netherlands
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In the standard Icelandic (1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Nf6 3.c4 e6!? 4.dxe6 Bxe6), white has played c2-c4, but not d2-d4 yet. Because of this, d3 and d4 are weak (can't be defended by pawns) and black is going to try to prevent d2-d4, by means of Bc5, Nc6, those sort of moves. If white avoids this with the immediate 5.d4, black gets good play with 5...Bb4+ (see game explorer; black scores much better than white!)

 

In your variation (1.e4 d5 2.exd5 e6? 3.dxe6 Bxe6), white hasn't played c2-c4 yet, so this whole black plan is moot. White can always play something like c3 and d4, if necessary. Black is just a tiny bit ahead of development, which isn't close to enough for the gambited center pawn.

 

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