does this have a name ?

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20th January 2009, 04:35pm
#1
by AnyOne
Barcelos Portugal
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 37

I'm not talking about the king's gambit .. I'm talking about what comes next to it when I give up my knight !

20th January 2009, 04:49pm
#2
by staggerlee
Clermont-Ferrand France
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 804

It's called a blunder.

20th January 2009, 04:51pm
#3
by AnyOne
Barcelos Portugal
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 37
staggerlee wrote:

It's called a blunder.


Actually I'm in a very good position to win the game, wich is being trully weel disputed .. Latter on I'll post the complete game so you can comprove it !

20th January 2009, 04:54pm
#4
by Ray_Brooks
Heart of Darkness England
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 2166
Database: Master Games    
movegameswhite wins / draw / black wins
5...gxf3 32
43.8% 15.6% 40.6%

43% for White, I'm surprised it's that good.









20th January 2009, 04:54pm
#5
by kid_of_chess
Ottawa,Ontario Canada
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 5803

me 2 Ray_Brooks

20th January 2009, 04:55pm
#6
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 3106

Your opponent is not requred to play well after you blunder.

20th January 2009, 04:56pm
#7
by Ray_Brooks
Heart of Darkness England
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 2166
aabbccdd wrote:

me 2 Ray_Brooks


We live and learn, eh? I'm definitely gonna give it the odd run out at blitz.

20th January 2009, 04:59pm
#8
by AnyOne
Barcelos Portugal
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 37

I can't post the game right now because we haven't finished it yet .. But you will see how it allows me to take control of the game .. And my opponent is playing well and not making crushing mistakes nor something comparable to that ..

But like the site database show it tends to favor white xP

20th January 2009, 05:13pm
#10
by kid_of_chess
Ottawa,Ontario Canada
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 5803

reminds me also of muzio. :)

20th January 2009, 05:13pm
#11
by RyanMK
Iowa United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 2277

It also reminds me of the Muzio Gambit in the King's Gambit. The Muzio goes like this and gives white a strong attack that's difficult to defend against.

 

20th January 2009, 05:14pm
#12
by Ray_Brooks
Heart of Darkness England
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 2166

http://www.chess.com/tournament/mad-gambit

 

First four brave souls.

 

p.s. Unrated, one day a move.... just for fun.

20th January 2009, 05:16pm
#13
by fzweb
Home Australia
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 762

It seems to have a bit of a relation with the Muzio Gambit...other than that, no idea.

20th January 2009, 05:42pm
#14
by Waitaka
Salvador Brazil
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 94

On another chess site database (chessgames.com) the statistics are even better for white after 1.e4 e5   2.f4 exf4   3.Nf3 g5   4.d4 g4   5.Bxf4 gxf3   6.Qxf3:

73.3% White wins
6.7% draw
20% black wins

But the sample is too small, only 15 games.

And I found no name for this opening, and no exclusive ECO code. It is classified as C37 - King Gambit Accepted.

20th January 2009, 05:49pm
#15
by zymodog
Charters Settlement, NB Canada
Member Since: Sep 2008
Member Points: 15

It just seems that bringing a queen out so fast, without any other development or being able to catle, seems risky.

20th January 2009, 05:53pm
#16
by Ray_Brooks
Heart of Darkness England
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 2166

Here's a moving diagram of the game shown in post #11:

 

http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1014798

20th January 2009, 05:58pm
#17
by Waitaka
Salvador Brazil
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 94

Ok, it has a name: Rosentreter Gambit

And here goes the analysis:
http://www.chesspub.com/cgi-bin/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1059304681

20th January 2009, 07:03pm
#18
by Gonnosuke
Southern California Germany
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 2586
dunst_the_dude wrote:

the dumbass variation??? ... unless you have won with it i dont know... just doesn't seem like enough attacking power is gained by the sacrifice.


Many people have made similar comments about the Muzio or Halloween gambits, both of which involve Knight sacrifices.  It's easy to click through a diagram and 30 seconds later declare it worthless or unsound, it's quite another to prove it in a game against an experienced gambiteer.

Gonnosuke, the Baptist.

20th January 2009, 07:22pm
#19
by footballfansback
British Virgin Islands
Member Since: Dec 2008
Member Points: 26

i would consider this position excellent for white. he has complete control over the centre, a developed piece, at least one pawn for the knight, and black has only two missing pawns.

the entire purpose of the kings gambit is sacrifice. while white may not have attacking chances at the moment, in two moves he can generate a powerful attack on f7, i.e. Bc4 then 0-0, and if black has played into it, maybe even Bxc7, winning the queen or the king.

i say this position is an all but totally sound sacrifice for what. besides, without dubious moves like this, chess would be a boring old man's game

20th January 2009, 07:23pm
#20
by MM78
Ireland
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 3160
Gonnosuke wrote:
dunst_the_dude wrote:

the dumbass variation??? ... unless you have won with it i dont know... just doesn't seem like enough attacking power is gained by the sacrifice.


Many people have made similar comments about the Muzio or Halloween gambits, both of which involve Knight sacrifices.  It's easy to click through a diagram and 30 seconds later declare it worthless or unsound, it's quite another to prove it in a game against an experienced gambiteer.

Gonnosuke, the Baptist.


 well said Sir, I have won twice against the Halloween on this site, I am 100% sure I would have lost in an OTB game.

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