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5th June 2008, 08:05pm
#1
by ozshmbal
Dominical Costa Rica
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 53

If your strategy includes a a pawn sacrifice, don't do it in the opening.  That means the first six or eight moves -- although I've been told the number should go to eleven.   The reason I can speak on it is due to the pain I've felt from making the mistake.  I recently gave up a pawn for position in an opening against a young Russian GM on line.  True he gave up a chance to castle, but I still feel like he has a better position.  In addition I just lost to another highly rated player under the same circumstances.  Can anyone refute this argument and give me an example of making up this ground and gaining an advantage from an early pawn sacrifice?

5th June 2008, 09:39pm
#2
by Marshal_Dillon
New Jersey United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 465
Yes, it's called the Evan's Gambit.
5th June 2008, 10:25pm
#3
by ozshmbal
Dominical Costa Rica
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 53

Amazing!  Thanks for the display.  Leave it to Fisher to say, "here, have a few pawns  and then a few moments say, "how do you like me now."


6th June 2008, 03:26am
#4
by Marshal_Dillon
New Jersey United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 465
And this is why I won't play into the Giuoco Piano as black anymore. Wink
6th June 2008, 12:28pm
#5
by depthshaman
United States
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 280
I'm of the opening that with the exception of a few gambits, (the evens is a great example) gambitting a pawn in the opening is only really all that great in blitz. In normal time controls all too often the pawn isn't ever given back. And for god sakes, don't play the smith-morra. Anyone with any sense can equalize with black.
6th June 2008, 12:56pm
#6
by PudVein
Delaware United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 27
depthshaman wrote: I'm of the opening that with the exception of a few gambits, (the evens is a great example) gambitting a pawn in the opening is only really all that great in blitz. In normal time controls all too often the pawn isn't ever given back. And for god sakes, don't play the smith-morra. Anyone with any sense can equalize with black.

I used to play the Benko Gambit in blitz with success but never was ale to get the same pressure in a slow game.

I agree with the 1st post, losing a pawn in the opening, either intentional or not, always, for me anyway, creates a psychological situation in which the player with the extra pawn is emboldend to be more agressive to capitalize.


6th June 2008, 02:12pm
#7
by Marshal_Dillon
New Jersey United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 465
depthshaman wrote: I'm of the opening that with the exception of a few gambits, (the evens is a great example) gambitting a pawn in the opening is only really all that great in blitz. In normal time controls all too often the pawn isn't ever given back. And for god sakes, don't play the smith-morra. Anyone with any sense can equalize with black.

Checkmate means never having to give the pawn back. Sealed


10th June 2008, 03:33pm
#8
by bastiaan
eindhoven Netherlands
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 878

I gain positional advantages by using the smith morra, not even minding the traps. In the endgame this will get me much more than just a pawn back. I think development is the first concern in the initial phase, with a good head start you can easily take your advantage from it. At least that goes for me, Smith-morra is one of my favorite openings.

ps. I hardly ever lose by one pawn in the endgame, it's mostly position if the material is close. But this takes us to another discussion... 


10th June 2008, 03:51pm
#9
by normajeanyates
london [often in calcutta india] England
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 2596
traxler, king's gambit - some perfectly sound lines for both sides involve R+P, B/N+P sac resp.
10th June 2008, 04:28pm
#10
by KillaBeez
Kansas United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 4250
I play gambits.  I need work on developing compensation in which I do not know theory or it is unavailable.
10th June 2008, 06:52pm
#11
by pvmike
Voorhees, NJ United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 1063
Here is a game I won playing the morra smith gambit
10th June 2008, 07:30pm
#12
by exiledcanuck
Wellington New Zealand
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 304

Not being a student of chess theory (In between working 70 hours a week and studying other things I just don't have the time at the moment) I can't be certain this is true of chess but I find it true in other things.

The only absolute rules that should be followed are the actual rules of the game... (provided there is no wiggle room of course) all other rules - don't move the same piece twice, don't bring out the queen too early, don't lose a pawn in the opening, are really all just guidelines. They should not be prefaced with you should never.  On that note these nuggets of wisdom are adherred to for good reason.  It is,however, in finding the exception to the rule that creative genius really starts to shine.


10th June 2008, 07:54pm
#13
by TheGrobe
Calgary Canada
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 14421
pvmike: nicely done -- I've not seen Legal's mate employed against the sicilian before.
13th June 2008, 04:48pm
#14
by ozshmbal
Dominical Costa Rica
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 53
I rarely follow my own rules.  I just completed a game with an opening pawn sacrifice.  White opened with d4 I countered with e5 (Froms's gambit) then d4xe5.  White could have transposed this offer into a Kings's gambit with more success.  The game ended in a draw.  I've still yet to win a game in an early pawn sacrifice.  I'll keep working on it
13th June 2008, 05:27pm
#15
by carpman
United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 114
Thank you Dillion, I am always concerned about early pawn loss. I see it a little different now thanks to you, and of course Fischer.
13th June 2008, 05:31pm
#16
by grensley
Minnesota United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 408
Um...Take a look at the queen's gambit.  The pawn is made up for by the positional gain.
13th June 2008, 06:12pm
#17
by MsCloyescapade
California United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 585

Hypermodern system by Nimzowitsch is a good example of giving up a pawn for position.


13th June 2008, 06:53pm
#18
by grimreaper1973
Albany NY United States
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 139
re:  Aron Nimzowitsch vs. Arthur Hakansson.  Incredible!  So enthralling I forgot what the post was about!
13th June 2008, 06:59pm
#19
by pompom
Near the United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 3347
HAHAHA
13th June 2008, 07:58pm
#20
by justice_avocado
Columbus, OH United States
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 528

re: Aron Nimzowitsch vs. Arthur Hakansson.

unfrickinbelievable. nimzowitsch totally handed it to that hakansson guy. i think the annotation said it best: "the queen finds herself in a position she would only be consigned in a problem." quite an understatement.

(seriously! go back and look at move 25... Nxd4. it might as well say "white to move. mate in three")


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