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Dutch defense: Staunton gambit?!

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15th September 2009, 05:38am
#1
by aadaam
United Kingdom
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 546

(1.d4 f5 2.e4 fxe4 3.f3...)

Is this a reasonable way to avoid piles of theory? I can't be an expert on all openings and I haven't studied the Dutch defense beyond expecting to play d4 and c4 and fiancetto the King's bishop. This Staunton gambit looks good to me...any discussion and tips concerning this exciting gambit would be greatly appreciated...anyway I'll try it out and get back to you with my results.

15th September 2009, 05:53am
#2
by Absurd
Melbourne Australia
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 265

My impression is that it's considered a bit unsound, though I'm not well enough versed in the theory to know quite why that is.

15th September 2009, 05:56am
#3
by Laddy_Jeanne
Amsterdam Netherlands
Member Since: Sep 2009
Member Points: 30

Looks like suicide to me, you give black strong center play and a free pawn..

15th September 2009, 07:38am
#4
by happyfanatic
United States
Member Since: Jun 2008
Member Points: 386

Choosing an anti-dutch like the staunton isn't neccesarily a bad idea, but you should be aware that many dutch players don't begin with 1. ..f5 but get to a dutch later via a transpositional move order. 

15th September 2009, 08:59pm
#5
by Absurd
Melbourne Australia
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 265

I find it odd that you're calling this an Anti-Sicilian, it seems that the odds of transposing into a Sicilian are a bit remote considering the array of other possibilities stemming from 1. d4.

15th September 2009, 09:06pm
#6
by Tenna
New York United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 256

I'm under the impression that 3. Nc3 is the much more common move and f3 is delayed for a while since White has plenty of useful moves to play before playing f3, which can be played any time. If I remember correctly Black has to twist and turn to keep his extra pawn which ends up being doubled and isolated on the e-file.

 

I don't play d4 so I don't have any experience with this opening. This is just stuff I read in a book some time ago.

16th September 2009, 01:42am
#7
by AdonisGOES1337
København Denmark
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 23

The staunton gambit is a fine choice against the dutch. In the main line black even gives back the pawn, and white still has a comfortable game in my opinion.

Yes usually Nc3 and Nf6 is played before f3, and if white plays the f3 line then black shouldn't take the pawn but instead just play d5 or Nc6.

16th September 2009, 03:47am
#8
by aadaam
United Kingdom
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 546

Thanks for all the helpful comments. So, Staunton gambit it is then!

21st September 2009, 01:53pm
#9
by aadaam
United Kingdom
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 546

Update:- played one, won one!

20th December 2009, 10:03am
#10
by DrSpudnik
Kansas City, Missouri United States
Member Since: Nov 2009
Member Points: 2586

I have played the Dutch in postal & OTB since the late 70s. The best thing is the usual K-side fianchetto & the eventual d-pawn push with pressure on the weak white squares on the a2-g8 diagonal. The Staunton Gambit creates a more fluid center, but I don't think it necessarily gives a big advantage to White. My quickie database search showed that White's win ratio drops to about 41% (from the standard Dutch 45-47% win ratio) while raising Black's chances up to around 37%, compared to the usual 27%) Draws are few.

I have about given up on the Dutch, by the way. It can be fun, but is a bit too unstable for my tastes.

So, as an Evans Gambiteer, I'd say you can go for it if you want to make chess exciting & a little less predictable. 

20th December 2009, 10:24pm
#11
by ogerboy
Sydney Australia
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 710

I never really thought of the Stauton gambit as a big threat. It had a few minutes in the spotlight, but now it is out of favour and the correct approach for black have been found.

After 1.d4 f5 2.e4!? fe

3.Nc3 is the main move, not 3.f3?!

6th January 2010, 04:36am
#12
by aadaam
United Kingdom
Member Since: Oct 2008
Member Points: 546

Managed to win with it again!

6th January 2010, 04:40am
#13
by Scarblac
Arnhem Netherlands
Member Since: Nov 2008
Member Points: 2009

The Staunton chess club in Groningen has a yearly thematic gambit tournament. In 1996, the anniversary of the world class Groningen 1946 tournament, they had a Staunton Gambit tournament (as well as having all the surviving players of the 1946 tournament over! Najdorf, etc). I didn't do very well with it.

But since then, it's always been my main answer to 1.d4 f5, and I think I've lost only one game in it, and had a number of quick victories.

Sure, it's probably not much in theory, but Black players don't know the theory!

6th January 2010, 04:53am
#14
by NM Reb
United States
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 7857

I tried the dutch as black for about 1 year in otb play and soon gave it up. I did ok in the main lines but in the anti-dutch lines I was getting murdered and there were too many of them ! 2 Nc3  and 2 Bg5 are possibly the best of the anti-dutch lines but there are also :  2 Qd3 , 2 e4 , 2 g4, 2 c3, 2 b3 , 2 h3 , 2 h4 , 2 Bf4 , 2 Nd2  and ALL of these require some knowledge from the dutch player !!

Also, 2 Qd3 and 2 Bf4 score only 49% but all the others score better than 50% for white ! 

15th May 2010, 02:29pm
#15
by rich
United Kingdom
Member Since: Jul 2007
Member Points: 27854

I prefer the Krejcik Gambit!

20th November 2011, 03:16pm
#16
by shepi13
Chicago United States
Member Since: Sep 2011
Member Points: 196

The staunton gambit might be slightly risky or unsound - yet it does open up many tactical chances for white. For example - take the famous lasker v thomas game played in 1912.
White wins after setting up an amazing attack.
20th November 2011, 03:26pm
#17
by Firepower8
Team Firepower International
Member Since: Dec 2010
Member Points: 709
ogerboy wrote:

I never really thought of the Stauton gambit as a big threat. It had a few minutes in the spotlight, but now it is out of favour and the correct approach for black have been found.

After 1.d4 f5 2.e4!? fe

3.Nc3 is the main move, not 3.f3?!

 


Yo reb and ogerboy, that analysis is quite bad since in recent months (with 4 other members and I analysis(s) we concluded that the following line is strong for white

and the overall consensus here is that white is doing well
 

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