Just Nc3 Nc6 even without Bb5 is traditional. I was looking at the Bb5 line as it's played alot recently without any analysis online.
e4 c5 Nc3 Nc6 Bb5
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There's a chapter on it in Gawain Jones's book Starting Out: Sicilian Grand Prix Attack. He includes this fun line:
FrogCDE wrote:
There's a chapter on it in Gawain Jones's book Starting Out: Sicilian Grand Prix Attack. He includes this fun line:
I can't see the full book. What does he say about 3 Bb5? is it's introduction chapter.
Chessgames.com lists that position as.... Sicilian Defense: Closed Variation. Traditional(B23)
Earliest listing they have is from Cambridge Springs 1904
Jacques Mieses VS Albert Whiting Fox
http://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1036789
Looks good for white.
W-Luke wrote:
FrogCDE wrote:
There's a chapter on it in Gawain Jones's book Starting Out: Sicilian Grand Prix Attack. He includes this fun line:
What happens if 11.Be6 12.Bb5+ Ke7 (not 11...Bd7 12.Qxd5 obv.)? where's white compensation for the piece?
In that line you gave Re1+ and I would tqke white any day of the week
Houdini 3 Pro evaluates the position after 10. Qh5 as +0.2. Only slighty better
pfren wrote:
FirePlanet10 wrote:
Houdini 3 Pro evaluates the position after 10. Qh5 as +0.2. Only slighty better
It must be a stupid engine, then.
White gets back the piece by force, and remains a solid pawn up at no development disadvantage. Black will be extremely lucky if he somehow manages enough pressure against the c2 pawn to get some drawing chances. Objectively, the whole line is just unplayable for Black.
It recommends 10... Ne7
Yugoslav attack? I dunno, I'm bad with openings.
pfren wrote:
FirePlanet10 wrote:
It recommends 10... Ne7
Black may even win if white fails to find the way to continue the attack. Proof:
But factly, after 13.Re6! Black may resign, already: There is no defence.
I strongly suspect that you don't know how to use an engine- even a relatively weak one should have zero trouble finding the winning move.
So how does White get his piece back by force?
Against 11...Ne7, Jones gives 12.Qxf7+ Kd7 13. Re1 "and White has a huge attack and two pawns for the piece", adding that Fritz shows a clear advantage.
FrogCDE wrote:
Against 11...Ne7, Jones gives 12.Qxf7+ Kd7 13. Re1 "and White has a huge attack and two pawns for the piece", adding that Fritz shows a clear advantage.
Could you answer my question above of what the author says about the 3.Bb5 line in it's introduction chapter? Not the whole page just the main idea.
W-Luke wrote:
traxlerman wrote:
W-Luke wrote:
FrogCDE wrote:
There's a chapter on it in Gawain Jones's book Starting Out: Sicilian Grand Prix Attack. He includes this fun line:
What happens if 11.Be6 12.Bb5+ Ke7 (not 11...Bd7 12.Qxd5 obv.)? where's white compensation for the piece?
In that line you gave Re1+ and I would tqke white any day of the week
It's interesting, after a small analysis I've found that black gets some compensation for the pawn, white's rooks are passive, c pawn is weak and the d4 pawn controls the c3 square preventing the c pawn advance. Plus there are some problems with its king safety.
Overall the 3. Bb5 Line is good but I'm surprised there isn't a specific name for it.
It's the Rossolimo variation. I used to play it and would say, "I'm playing the Ruy Lopez, what are you playing?"
I thought rossolimo was after 1.e4 c5 2.Nf3 not 2. Nc3
Oh dear! I seem to have misread. LOL.
I play the closed and Bb5 doesn't look sensible at all.
It's acutally been played alot in 2013-2014 and White has 48% Win. It looks very sensible to me. 3.f4 and 3.g3 seem to have a higher win rate for Black but maybe I shouldn't pay too much attention to that.
DrSpudnik wrote:
Oh dear! I seem to have misread. LOL.
I play the closed and Bb5 doesn't look sensible at all.
Bb5 is basically an Accelerated/Delayed Grand Prix. Whereas in the Grand Prix proper, White usually plays 3 f4 g6 4 Nf3 Bg7 and now 5 Bb5, in this line White accelerates the Bxc6 threat while delaying the f4 plan. It's a Rossolimo with ...Nd4 available for Black, c3 and d4 unavailable for White, but f4-f5 available.
This has been played in alot of games this year (2014) on chessgames.com and has a 45% win for white but I can't find any books or articles on it? Has anyone heard of this line anywhere?