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e4 e5 nf3 f6!!??


  • 20 months ago · Quote · #1

    Nusons

    Worst opening ever in my opinion for black. Here's why.


     

  • 20 months ago · Quote · #2

    Rubblewurm

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  • 20 months ago · Quote · #3

    stalematingintellect

    Rubblewurm wrote: 
    I like playing this for fun sometimes not good at all but still fun.

    Fun for White obviously after 4. Nc4.  If 4...Qxe4+  5. Ne3 followed by 6. Nc3, if 4...d5  5. Qh5+ followed by 6. Qxd5, and if 4...f5  5. Nc3 and then if 5...fxe4?  6. Nd5.

    Actually I suppose in that second line Black gets some counterplay as follows - is this what you are hoping for?



  • 20 months ago · Quote · #4

    Rubblewurm

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  • 20 months ago · Quote · #5

    blasterdragon

    nope not worst look at the opening of the day the mosquitto gambit which is the worst in my oppinion

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #6

    Nusons

    Never ever have seen mosquito gambit in my games. 

  • 19 months ago · Quote · #7

    Schevenadorf

    Explains why it's called the mosquito gambit.

  • 9 months ago · Quote · #8

    will8385

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  • 8 months ago · Quote · #9

    LM_Mahir

    Not the worst opening at all!! Here comes the best game of Damiano defense!! Why is it the best game? Because Worlds best player got drawn by the Damiano defense. Recently I am trying this opening. Good progress!!

  • 8 months ago · Quote · #10

    steve_bute

    Now would be the correct moment for someone to post "The Damiano Defence refutes 1.e4".

  • 2 months ago · Quote · #11

    Daniel_Nguyen

    This is a game that I played 2 days ago that was doing f6. LOL.

  • 2 months ago · Quote · #12

    Fiveofswords

    the real reason f6 is a bad move is much simpler. It doesnt develop.

  • 7 weeks ago · Quote · #13

    Chessking47

    Fiveofswords wrote:

    the real reason f6 is a bad move is much simpler. It doesnt develop.

    d6 doesn't develop either.

  • 7 weeks ago · Quote · #14

    Jimmykay

    wow great post. I have been playing 2...f6 all these years, and facing it all the time! Everyone plays it.

    What a brilliant refutation!

  • 7 weeks ago · Quote · #15

    TBentley

    I would label them 2...f6?! and 3...fxe5??

  • 7 weeks ago · Quote · #16

    Enthusiast14

    Sacrificing a knight on start is not a good idea in opening, i don't see any bid adv !

  • 7 weeks ago · Quote · #17

    XPLAYERJX

    Chessking47 wrote:
    Fiveofswords wrote:

    the real reason f6 is a bad move is much simpler. It doesnt develop.

    d6 doesn't develop either.

    Not true d6 develops/activates the LSB f6 develops nothing in fact it reduces development because the knight can no longer go to f6

  • 7 weeks ago · Quote · #18

    Ed_Seedhouse

    In the Fischer game after 7. ... Bc5 the correct move is 8. Nc3! and then if Qxc2  9. Qd4! seizes the initiative and gains a development lead well worth the pawn and more.

    For example. 9. ... Nc6 10 Qe3+ Black has a problem because his Queen is nearly trapped.  E.G. 10. ... Nge7 11. 0-0 0-0-0?? 12. Ne1! and goodby queen. 

    All black's pawn "win" has done is put his Queen in a pickle.

    I regret to say the analysis given in the other postings is just as bad.

  • 7 weeks ago · Quote · #19

    -BEES-

    fireflashghost wrote:
    Chessking47 wrote:
    Fiveofswords wrote:

    the real reason f6 is a bad move is much simpler. It doesnt develop.

    d6 doesn't develop either.

    But d6 is a more solid way to defend the pawn, because it doesn't weaken the kingside, and in general it begins to set up a solid position.  2...d6 isn't necessarily the best line (and in my opinion going through a Pirc-like move order is a better option to get to a Philidor), but it's loads more preferable than 2...f6? and much more sound.

    The real real real issue is that f6 doesn't actually defend the pawn. It opens up tactics that allow White to take on e5 anyway. The pawn on e5 is only indirectly defended by playing Qe7 and retaking on e4--something Black could do without playing f6 anyway.

  • 7 weeks ago · Quote · #20

    Ed_Seedhouse

    Let's take a look at what happens when black takes the knight:




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