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e4 or d4?


  • 3 years ago · Quote · #21

    Dargone

    Fezzik wrote:

    Ok, my sense of humor is a bit dry.

    Of course I don't believe that Berliner has proven 1.d4 move is definitely better than 1.e4 any more than I believe Fischer was serious (or more to the point, should be taken seriously) when he said 1.e4 was "best by test".

    (Btw, Berliner's "proof" lay in the fact that 1.d4 gives White more choices while protecting the King better than 1.e4 does.)


    My apologies then! It is often hard to determine "tone" on the internet.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #22

    Musikamole

    1.e4, even though I play 1.d4.

    I'm seriously considering 1.e4, because I like chess history and, feel like I would be missing out on too much if I never played 1.e4.

    I really would like to play the King's Gambit at least once in my life.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #23

    Musikamole

    Fezzik wrote:

    Musik, I would really like to learn the piano at least once in my life. How's this, we play a casual game where you play the King's Gambit, and in return, you give me 6 months of piano lessons?

    That way, we both get to scratch something off our bucket lists.

    Sounds fair to me!


    One casual game for 6 months of piano lessons! Laughing

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #24

    Dragec

    I'll have to read it, and judging on some reviews, I can hardly expect anything even close to proof. (I know Berliner probably didn't really think he proved anything) Wink

    In mathematical view, I'm not sure that anyone will produce a proof anytime soon. Cool

    Not even a conjecture.

    OK, there is slightly better chance with scientific proof, as it not so strict as a mathematical proof, but still ...

     

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mathematical_proof

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_evidence

     

    P.S. I have to give book a try, as it seems that Berliner "refuted" (among others) both KID and Grünfeld. Lot of super grandmasters didn't read the book, obviously. Tongue out

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #25

    Starman_Skullz

    E4

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #26

    Sofademon

    Benkobaby wrote:

    Not that this topic hasn't been "thrashed to death" but ... I'll take a stab. 1.e4 players are orthodox, evangelical, nut cases; they need their daddy; something they've never had and will never know. 1. d4 players are limp wristed caricatures of hand bag carrying nancy boys; which is why they need their mommy. It all revolves around correct parenting. 

     

    Tough ... very tough


     

     I damn near blew my soda out my nose at reading that.  Brightened up my whole day.

    Seriously, however, although this is a gross oversimplification, e4 openings more often (not always, but more often) lead to open positions where direct attacks and tactics are more critical.  d4 openings, because the d pawn is protected by the queen, tend to build up more slowly.  That's not to say that tactics are not important, and if you are not paying attention to tactics you can still get your rear end handed to you in a small handbag, but in general the d4 openings are a little less trapish, a little more likely to aim for a gradual build up of the position.

    Current trends are that at grandmaster levels d4 is probably a bit more popular than e4, but you certainly see plenty of both.

    Personally, I like to push the pawn on the K file to start the game, which generally confuses the opponent to such a degree I can swipe one of his his horseys and stick it in my pocket while he is trying to figure out what I am doing. 

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #27

    Atos

    dracula1939 wrote:

    I have 150 chess books all the latest grandmaster games,so believe me when i say E4 is a popular opening  its leads to the RUY LOPEZ, the Siciian Defence,French Defence ,Pirc Defence,and many other openings.If you were to read NEW IN CHESS you will understand.


    Hm yes, and you play for blood ?

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #28

    brainiac639

    One thing I hate about e4 is having your opponent being very familiar to this opening.

    Aside from this, I like e4 that 99% of my games is just like that. My profile picture proved it.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #29

    SchuBomb

    dracula1939 wrote:

    I have 150 chess books all the latest grandmaster games,so believe me when i say E4 is a popular opening  its leads to the RUY LOPEZ, the Siciian Defence,French Defence ,Pirc Defence,and many other openings.If you were to read NEW IN CHESS you will understand.


    I don't know if I believe you. I don't really think e4 is a popular opening at all. I mean, everyone knows that the sicilian is shunned by everyone now, at all levels.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #30

    Salaskan

    The pawn on e4 is not protected, so black responds 1...c5! followed by attacking the e-pawn with Nf6, Nbd7-c5, Bb7, Qa8, d5 etc. Therefore 1.d4 is better.

  • 3 years ago · Quote · #31

    kotkoda

    The openings are just a way of expression of your inner self. Some like direct approach some like covert operations. For other people an evolution of learning, experimenting. The 10 thousand ours that we all have to play to become masters will include all the openings. As long as you get the desired result you will stick with one and then move on. it is just a matter of time before you will find out what suits  your playing style at what point in your life. All of them are good.

  • 17 months ago · Quote · #32

    moonlight333

    D4 all the way much more richer in beauty and postiontinal and tactiical lines...  e4 is studied way too much


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