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10th May 2008, 07:12pm
#1
by therobz
Auckland New Zealand
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 109

Hey. Anyone know easy ways to defeat/get an advantage over a player who is reasonably good and can hold their own in a game, which will put them at a disadvantage because it is hard to spot and to stop it you need to know how to do it?

E.g. the only one that i know is the Budapest Gambit or something.

 any other easy ways?


10th May 2008, 07:19pm
#2
by Feldmm1
United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 380
Knock their king over?
10th May 2008, 07:25pm
#3
by stormcrown
Louisville United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 214

Play better moves than them.

 


10th May 2008, 07:27pm
#4
by blunder
United States
Member Since: Apr 2008
Member Points: 1

Chess is a game of replies.  You can plan for an opening but there is no way to gaurantee that they will see the board the way you want them and allow you to perform the opening.  Sometimes your opponent will make the right move for the wrong reasons.

 

The best way to beat your opponent is to get better. 


10th May 2008, 07:44pm
#5
by Ray_Brooks
Heart of Darkness England
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 965
There are no "easy ways" in chess...if there were, everyone would be doing it! This notion you have of "easy ways" like "budapest gambit or something" is complete and utter nonsense. I hope I've cleared that up for you. Laughing 
10th May 2008, 07:49pm
#6
by likesforests
United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 2504

Become an intermediate player yourself. You will find that it takes some work!


10th May 2008, 08:05pm
#7
by atemaldeta
San Miguel Philippines
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 34
dont underestimate ur opponent
10th May 2008, 08:17pm
#8
by Munchies
United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 145
You are looking for the holy grail of all lazy chess players. Success in chess, like most other areas of life, comes from focused effort, not sly tricks. An opening zap may work once, but after that, you'll be back at square one. Get some skills, not some smoke and mirrors opening.
10th May 2008, 08:18pm
#9
by therobz
Auckland New Zealand
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 109

wtf? cant i get a decent answer.

new question:

name some moves similar to the budapest gambit or moves as destructive as so. 


10th May 2008, 08:26pm
#10
by Ray_Brooks
Heart of Darkness England
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 965

It's a very simple concept.... in order to get a good answer, one must ask a good question (nonsense questions produce nonsensical or undesirable answers).

 

for example:

"new question:

name some moves similar to the budapest gambit or moves as destructive as so." 

this isn't even proper English, and also doesn't make sense. Take a deep breath, calm down and think about what it is that you want to say. Form a proper sentence or two, and publish to the forum.

 

p.s. "wtf's" will get you nowhere on chess.com, save it for the playground. 


10th May 2008, 08:29pm
#11
by paintjob
new jersey United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 4
I'd like you to know that I chuckled at this entire strand of replies.
10th May 2008, 08:37pm
#12
by cwcaesar
Tennessee United States
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 89
paintjob wrote: I'd like you to know that I chuckled at this entire strand of replies.

 Me too. 

To the OP, just put some time in working on Tactics (lots of time).  That way you don't have to worry about what your opponent does in response.  A superior tactical chess player will beat one with a fancy opening trap any time!


10th May 2008, 08:42pm
#13
by sparky_k24
Carrollton, GA United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 36
I don't know what opening you're referring to, so I'm sorry if this happens to be it.

Don't rely on it too much, but one thing you can do is focus on the king's bishop's pawn.  For example, 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 (or a lot of other moves) and then 4. Ng5 and just keep up the pressure.  A skilled opponent will knock this out of the water, but it makes some players panic.  Use this until you learn how to counter it and play it well, then move on.

Everyone else, I understand, and to some extent agree with, your criticisms...but you don't have to be so mean about it.  We don't make perfect moves in chess.  It's like Kasparov said, we all make mistakes in chess.  Our goal is to make less severe mistakes than your opponent.  Chess IS nothing more than taking advantage of your opponents' inadequacies.  So if he wants an opening that will trip up his opponents...he can join the club.
10th May 2008, 09:01pm
#14
by likesforests
United States
Member Since: May 2007
Member Points: 2504

sparky_k24> 1. e4 e5 2. Nf3 Nc6 3. Bc4 Nf6 (or a lot of other moves) and then 4. Ng5

The idea that memorizing these four moves will somehow lead to this new player to beat an intermediate player is silly. First, most of his opponents will not even play 1...e5. Second, if they do play 1...e5 they will be far more familiar with this position and Black's defensive resources than he will be. There is no shortcut... he needs to learn to play chess at an intermediate level to beat intermediate players.  Looking for opening tricks is a trap many new players get into. The sooner they realize the error of their ways, the sooner they move up. Ray was not being mean by pointing this out. He's telling it like it is. cwcaesar's advice is spot on--daily tactical study is one way to improve.


10th May 2008, 09:27pm
#15
by Munchies
United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 145

Your approach to this forum is as lazy as your chess technique. Work hard, get some skill, and you will get better. Until then, the players who actually practice will continue to be the intermediate players who beat you. You want a slick trap, that's all you came for? Play 1.e4 .... e5  2. Ke2!!! It's the hyperbrilliant 'bongcloud attack'. I think it's right up your alley.


10th May 2008, 09:27pm
#16
by chessfanforlife
Toronto Canada
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 679
Axel5...no person will be dumb enough to move the a and h pawn on move 1...unless the have ADD like my friend....beat in him chess with a queen,knight,and 2 rooks
10th May 2008, 09:58pm
#17
by Tempermental
Connell United States
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 6
hey you know i was just looking online and there are several books on like super destructive opening combo hashup kamehameha moves......just give em your credit card number :D
10th May 2008, 10:01pm
#18
by AnthonyCG
Washington DC United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 452
therobz wrote:

Hey. Anyone know easy ways to defeat/get an advantage over a player who is reasonably good and can hold their own in a game, which will put them at a disadvantage because it is hard to spot and to stop it you need to know how to do it?

E.g. the only one that i know is the Budapest Gambit or something.

 any other easy ways?


 To answer your question: There is no easy way. You just have to play better- nothing more- nothing less.

 "name some moves similar to the budapest gambit or moves as destructive as

so."

The most destructive gambit is the Danish Gambit- you're probably not experienced enough for it but here you go.

 

 


10th May 2008, 10:40pm
#19
by hinmanhouse
Cincinnati United States
Member Since: Dec 2007
Member Points: 160
Ray_Brooks wrote:

It's a very simple concept.... in order to get a good answer, one must ask a good question (nonsense questions produce nonsensical or undesirable answers).

 

for example:

"new question:

name some moves similar to the budapest gambit or moves as destructive as so." 

this isn't even proper English, and also doesn't make sense. Take a deep breath, calm down and think about what it is that you want to say. Form a proper sentence or two, and publish to the forum.

 

p.s. "wtf's" will get you nowhere on chess.com, save it for the playground. 


I'd nominate this for the most recent gratuitously pompous answer from one of chess.com's oh-so-superior to the rabble veterans.  Why don't you just start a discussion group with the others of your ilk.  You can sit around and post all day about how much more enlightened and worthy you all are.  The guy just asked a question he was curious about.  It was not a "nonsensical" question, and even if it was, he can probably do without a dressing down from you and the brotherhood.  Just don't respond if you don't think the question is worth your time. 


10th May 2008, 10:56pm
#20
by Munchies
United States
Member Since: Feb 2008
Member Points: 145
The original poster should have asked if anyone had a sharp opening system that he could book up on to try and catch his seasoned opponent off guard. What he asked for was a vague 'hidden' opening, and I know exactly where he can find one.... right next to the unicorn. There is no 'magic key' opening that will just bust people apart. What everyone is trying to point out to this guy is that if he uses his time to maybe study a little and put forth effort, he won't have to look for some secret plan opening and will be able to get a win from his skills. We're not trying to be arrogant, just poking fun at a ridiculous question.
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