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for those who say the kings gambit is refuted


  • 10 months ago · Quote · #1

    tigergutt

    This topic is for you. Here you can post your refutations to prove your claim:)

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #2

    trysts

    Both sides of the King's Gambit Accepted scares me! If someone plays it at my rating, I think they know tactical stuff which makes me play passively because, I just don't think opening the King-side to attack, so early, without developement, is the best way to play this gameSmile

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #3

    GlennBk

    Not refuted just not in fashion at the highest levels because they have found what seem at the moment to be more promising ways of opening the game.

    Still an opening very well worth playing at any level below 2000 since it teaches you a lot about attacking and defending chess.

    Remember in ten years time we will all be hearing new opening stories and numerous revivals will be proudly demonstated.

    You cannot win or lose a game of chess and blame it on any opening it depends on your play. I always play kingside openings because I understand them better.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #4

    Efim_Bogoljubov

     White's major problems are on the Kieseritzky and after 3...h6, but even more depressing, the traditional 'good lines' for white (like the Schalopp defence) are under a cloud (or even the endgame arising from the Falkbeer)

    It's a good opening if u don't like to study a lot of theory and want to develop all of the pieces and want to put pressure using the f-file, but with the Kieseritzky I've a lot of winning and drawing games against the KG


  • 10 months ago · Quote · #5

    tigergutt

    thanks for answers:) but i think some of you didnt read the topic well enough. this thread was for concrete lines. if you say the kings gambit is bad then give a line that it does bad in. 3...h6 in itself is not a refutation. you need to go much deeper than that

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #6

    tigergutt

    tigergutt wrote:

    thanks for answers:) but i think some of you didnt read the topic well enough. this thread is for concrete lines. if you say the kings gambit is bad then give a line that it does bad in. 3...h6 in itself is not a refutation. you need to go much deeper than that. 


  • 10 months ago · Quote · #7

    Efim_Bogoljubov

    tigergutt wrote:

    thanks for answers:) but i think some of you didnt read the topic well enough. this thread was for concrete lines. if you say the kings gambit is bad then give a line that it does bad in. 3...h6 in itself is not a refutation. you need to go much deeper than that


    If u doesn't know the kieseritzky gambit it's not my problem man. 

    For me it's not a good compensation a pawn and a file for a couple of pawns near to the promotion.
  • 10 months ago · Quote · #8

    offtherook

    Asking for a "refutation" is unrealistic. Even Damiano's Defense has never been refuted, but everyone agrees that it's a lousy choice of opening. In the King's Gamit, black should get an advantage, or for the less ambitious there are easy paths to equality for black. The King's Gambit perhaps is not losing by force, but it either throws away the advantage white should enjoy, or even starts you off at a disadvantage.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #9

    GlennBk

    Andersson's opening seems to me to throw away a move for white but then white is a move ahead, and anyway a move at the begining is not sufficient to win.

    Nothing in chess is concrete; dogmatism leads to error there are always exceptions too rules. Many positions that arise from the openings are unprovable that is why we play if it was concrete like noughts and crosses we would not play the game.

    Because a better player beats me playing any opening does not prove the opening is poor it proves he is better.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #10

    tigergutt

    Efim_Bogoljubov wrote:


    If u doesn't know the kieseritzky gambit it's not my problem man. 

     

    For me it's not a good compensation a pawn and a file for a couple of pawns near to the promotion.

    i know that line much deeper than what you shared and in the lines i know white cant possible be said to be refuted. thats why i asked for lines:)

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #11

    Efim_Bogoljubov

    tigergutt wrote:
    Efim_Bogoljubov wrote:

    If u doesn't know the kieseritzky gambit it's not my problem man. 

     

    For me it's not a good compensation a pawn and a file for a couple of pawns near to the promotion.

    i know that line much deeper than what you shared and in the lines i know white cant possible be said to be refuted. thats why i asked for lines:)


    Well man I share only the basic position of this gambit and for me this position is a good compensation for black (fritz quotes it -0.11 for Black, not a lot of vantage)

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #12

    tigergutt

    i agree i play 3...g5 myself and like the positions im getting from both sides

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #13

    those

    I didn't say the King's Gambit is refuted.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #14

    duskrevival

    Anything black plays against the King's Gambit is refuted.

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #15

    AnthonyCG

    tigergutt wrote:

    This topic is for you. Here you can post your refutations to prove your claim:)


    Laughing

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #16

    ih8sens

    As far as I'm concerned, it's up to white to prove compensation for the pawn, not black to prove a forced win.  Modern theory suggests that black at least equalizes, and may retain some advantage... that's refuted enough for the vast majority of strong masters.  Feel free to research some of black's supposed refutations and provide some concrete analysis from the white side... :)

    -matt

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #17

    Arctor

    White's best try in the King's Gambit:

  • 10 months ago · Quote · #18

    BillyLobster

    kings gambit may not be the best at the top professional level against a knowledgable opponent

    but I like it because at the amateur level even good players ~viz, better than me~ are prone to mishaps/blunders even though they are paying attention. sort of like this

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxtP7QxgB5Q&feature=related

    hence, although no game is safe in my hands i find there is still a chance of redemption if i have misplayed the opening phase


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