Four-Move Checkmate

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4th November 2007, 08:30am
#1
by king314
San Diego, Ca. United States
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I'm kinda new to chess and to chess.com compared some of you, but I know a move called "the four-move checkmate". All you need to know is four moves from the start and you'll be able to defeat many "okay" players. Here is a diagram of the four moves.

 

 

 

 

 

Notice how both the white's queen and bishop are put in position to attack the king bishop pawn.

To defend this, black could have simply moved its knight in front of the king's bishop pawn, or moved its king bishop pawn foward one space. Either method works.


4th November 2007, 08:37am
#2
by Loomis
Durham, NC United States
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king314 sez: All you need to know is four moves from the start and you'll be able to defeat many "okay" players.

 

You will only defeat near beginners with this trick. Even against "okay" players, you won't get away with this.


4th November 2007, 08:44am
#3
by KingLeopold
Scottsdale, AZ. United States
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The position you show on your board is not mate as the black knight can take the queen
4th November 2007, 08:45am
#4
by KingLeopold
Scottsdale, AZ. United States
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Here is a better example of the Scholar's Mate aka 4-move checkmate.

4th November 2007, 08:53am
#5
by halloween
United States
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what about a two move
4th November 2007, 08:55am
#6
by KingLeopold
Scottsdale, AZ. United States
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Two move mate is just a complete blunder on White's part

9th November 2007, 01:53pm
#7
by Ziryab
Spokane, Washington United States
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The four move checkmate requires a positional error on the part of the atacking player. The defending player need only develop the ability to see checkmate threats one move ahead, and the attacking queen becomes a target that shifts the initiative.

 

Far more interesting, IMHO, is this miniature:

 


19th January 2009, 04:15pm
#8
by mud754
florda United States
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um the checkmates never work

19th January 2009, 04:29pm
#9
by pusaandfink
Melbourne Australia
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This is a miniature 2-movemate

19th January 2009, 06:53pm
#10
by Elubas
Buffalo United States
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KingLeopold wrote:
Two move mate is just a complete blunder on White's part

hey! what's with the 1.f4?! It's not dubious. It's actually completely acceptable that also has the possibility of throwing off an opponent who hasn't seen it before. 1...e5 by the way is not a refutation, although it's probably sound enough. I actually used it a few times heading for a kingside attack.

20th January 2009, 04:11pm
#11
by rich
My Home United Kingdom
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Scholars mate is it's propper name, Haha child'splay. You will only defeat players lower than 1000 with it or maybe a little more I'd they're not paying attention, I would say 1050 tops going off real ratings powers. By the way that isn't the exact way it's done you're meant to go 1.e4 not one 1.e3 ! But you can get a 2 move checkmate.... But some people also count the moves they're opponents makes so it would be a 7 move checkmate and not a 4, and the two would of course be a 4 moves long.

31st March 2009, 04:09am
#12
by Bastian476
san Jose United States
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Usually people play a morphed form of the 4 move checkmate in which the queen and bishop still attack the kingside bishop pawn but use their remaining pieces to sweep up after potential blocks

21st May 2009, 05:09am
#13
by redbird2
Fairfax United States
Member Since: Feb 2009
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21st May 2009, 05:15am
#14
by rich
My Home United Kingdom
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Here's a morphed one of mine.

21st May 2009, 12:14pm
#15
by benedictus
Buenos Aires Argentina
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This only work on quick games and with newbs.

Check this one out.

 

 

 

 

 

 

I heard it actually happened due to touch move rule; black accidentally touched his king... lol

21st May 2009, 12:22pm
#16
by Nytik
Southampton United Kingdom
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Member Points: 4759
rich wrote:

But some people also count the moves they're opponents makes so it would be a 7 move checkmate and not a 4, and the two would of course be a 4 moves long.


Bearing in mind these people are incorrect, as it is seven plys long and actually three and a half moves.

25th May 2009, 02:23pm
#17
by rich
My Home United Kingdom
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It can be.

25th May 2009, 02:24pm
#18
by Nytik
Southampton United Kingdom
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rich wrote:

It can be.


No, it is. That's how the game works. Wink

25th May 2009, 02:27pm
#19
by rich
My Home United Kingdom
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That's what my uncle said. So that means there isn't a 4 move mate. That means the 2 move checkmate fool's mate that is, must be it! Not the Scholars mate.

25th May 2009, 02:28pm
#20
by Nytik
Southampton United Kingdom
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Member Points: 4759

Well, I guess so Rich. The '2-move mate', or Fools Mate, is indeed in two moves. The '4-move mate', or Scholar's Mate, is in fact in 3.5 moves. Who knew?

...

(Me Wink)

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