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FRENCH and CARO-KANN Inferior?!


  • 3 months ago · Quote · #61

    Arkhimeedes

    YES but you were talking about the movie read my last post

  • 3 months ago · Quote · #62

    thunder_tiger123

    ok lol I'll untrack now

  • 3 months ago · Quote · #63

    Arkhimeedes

    PLUS Tolkien wanted to rewrite the Hobbit but never had enough time. Jackson's movie serie The Hobbit has included that manuscript :). 

  • 3 months ago · Quote · #64

    Arkhimeedes

    in the book it is clearly said (of course) "Your grandfather Thror was killed, you remember, in the mines of Moria by Azog the Goblin."So yeah they are goblins in the book but the movie is a different thing

  • 3 months ago · Quote · #65

    JSlavik

    I wouldn't put too much stock into what one GM said. After all, some chess players say some silly things. For example, Bobby Fischer.

  • 3 months ago · Quote · #66

    kavanam

    Please, dont stray away from the Topic !Smile

  • 3 months ago · Quote · #67

    iamdeafzed

    kavanam wrote:

    The French Defence and the Caro-Kann defence are considered outright INFERIOR by a well-known GM COACH.

    What do you think of it?

    First off, "inferior" by what standard? By black's winning percentage? By Black's drawing percentage? By the radius of the Equator times a factor of (3*pi)? By how happy they make little children when they play them?

    Ignoring that "minor" detail, almost any discussion on openings or opening theory made by masters can be safely ignored by non-masters (something I wish I started doing much sooner myself). When you consider that even one move is enough to go from a better position to a worse one (or even losing), and that the average club player probably makes at least 4-5 '?!' mistakes or worse within his first 25 moves, it gives you some perspective on how much openings actually matter to non-masters.

    Aside from that, the French seems to have served guys like Short, Bareev, and Morozevich quite well. And guys like Anand and Shirov have trusted the Caro-Kann.
    And if they've worked for them, then they work for me (and I use both openings myself).

  • 3 months ago · Quote · #68

    kavanam

    Inferior, because

    In caro-kann, pushing c6 hinders natural development of a knight at c6!

    In the French, after e4-e6-d4-d5-Nc3, atleast the d4 pawn for White rests there controlling more center!

    Foot in MouthUndecided

  • 3 months ago · Quote · #69

    Arkhimeedes

    ^^In the French, after e4-e6-d4-d5-Nc3, atleast the d4 pawn for White rests there controlling more center!^^

    @kavanam but isn't it the same idea with hypermodern opnenings? To destroy White's center?

  • 3 months ago · Quote · #70

    iamdeafzed

    kavanam wrote:

    Inferior, because

    In caro-kann, pushing c6 hinders natural development of a knight at c6!

    In the French, after e4-e6-d4-d5-Nc3, atleast the d4 pawn for White rests there controlling more center!

     

    By that standard, all opening moves are bad, including any black response to 1.e4. Unless you're talking forced checkmating sequences, even the best moves (opening moves or otherwise) have their drawbacks to them. 1...e5 weakens the a2-g8 diagonal for black (and most importantly, f7) and gives white all sorts of potentially nasty attacking gambit lines as a result. 1...c5 doesn't develop the king side and makes it harder for black to play the 1.e4 "equalizing" move d5 later on. 1...d5 loses development time. 1...d6 and 1...g6 typically see black having less space. Etc., etc.

    All of this obscures and ignores the more relevant point that good moves are good precisely because their good points outweigh their bad ones, not because they contain absolutely zero drawbacks to them.


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