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French Defence/DenizK Variant

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7th May 2008, 09:24pm
#1
by judgeofthenight
Istanbul Turkey
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 274

My variant of the French Please comment it


8th May 2008, 01:09am
#2
by ironeddie1
aberdeen United Kingdom
Member Since: May 2008
Member Points: 2
I think alot depends on some one deciding to exchange queens. If the game opens up quickly unexpecdedly, you have a long way to castle which would be essential to protect the king. I personaly don't like the early queen sac. Often gives rise to dull "logical" games, trading off. booo
8th May 2008, 01:40am
#3
by TomMac19
Devon United Kingdom
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 84

in my experience, it is rare that white plays Cxd5 then on move 5 Nf3 if the French defence is played. Overall i dont think this variation will come into play unless done by new players to it. i use to play the French Defence alot (until i decided i needed to practise my kings opening as black) and i think it can be a very powerful opening...although it does leave black a little cramped if not played properly.


8th May 2008, 01:58am
#4
by TonightOnly
Phoenix, AZ United States
Member Since: Jun 2007
Member Points: 1210

The exchange variation (3.exd5) is already a bad variation. 4.Qe2+ is just a terrible move. 4...Be7 and black has developed a piece while white has rather wasted a tempo. Already, at move 4, I think the most white can hope for is a draw.

 

~TO


8th May 2008, 03:34am
#5
by Amnesiac
United Kingdom
Member Since: Oct 2007
Member Points: 557
I agree with TonightOnly about Qe2+ being a bad move but I disagree about the exchange variation being bad. True it is not played at the top level much as it dos'nt offer white enough winning chances but at any other level I think it is a perfectly valid choice. I only play the French against E4 and the only thing I do'nt like playing against is the exchange variation because it results in positions that are'nt really french like. White can play agressively with c4 quite early and it can be difficult for black to play as it is so boring. I know someone who is quite low rated who played the exchange as white in a simultanous against an IM and won.
4th June 2008, 07:29am
#6
by ThreeQueens
Durham, North Carolina United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 1279

Black has 4...Be7 giving a good game--this is in your annotations but not expanded.  After 4...Qe7, White should consider 5.Bg5: 5...f6 6.Be3; 5...Qxe7 6.Nxe2 (White will castle long). 

Among other improvements one could suggest, after 7.g4, 7...Qxe2+ 8.Bxe2 Bxc2.  Therefore White would do better with 7.Nbc3.

It's great to see a young player wrestling with an opening as you are doing.  Keeping one's mind enquiring and one's judgment at bay are two virtues that fuel growth in chess. 


5th June 2008, 10:28am
#7
by ericmittens
London, ON Canada
Member Since: Sep 2007
Member Points: 781
It looks very boring to me. I would probably offer a draw on move 5 and go out for coffee.
5th June 2008, 10:58am
#8
by Mad_dog_96
Camlough Ireland
Member Since: Nov 2007
Member Points: 159

Why would black play QE7 to block the check? Any sensible player would use the Bishop or Knight.


5th June 2008, 01:37pm
#9
by Fromper
Boynton Beach, FL United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 356
As black in this situation, I would definitely play 4. ... Be7 to block the check. Qe7 and Ne7 both block in the bishop, while Be7 develops it to a decent square. With Nf6 next move, black can be ready to castle on his 6th move, while white's queen is blocking in his own f1 bishop.
16th June 2008, 10:45am
#10
by judgeofthenight
Istanbul Turkey
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 274

i said

check move list

 

you stupid noobs 

 

you dont read the notes

 

and say i'd play this or that

 

you idiot noobs

 

of course an american's notes would be read 


16th June 2008, 11:46am
#11
by KillaBeez
Denver, CO United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 1266
Well then the Bishop's DenizK gives Black a good game.
16th June 2008, 03:03pm
#12
by Fromper
Boynton Beach, FL United States
Member Since: Aug 2007
Member Points: 356
KillaBeez wrote: Well then the Bishop's DenizK gives Black a good game.

 Yup. I read the note and saw that he listed it as a possibility. Given that it's the strongest possibility by far, I don't see why you'd even bother analyzing the results of the inferior move. 4. ... Be7 pretty much refutes white's 4th move.


17th June 2008, 04:57am
#13
by judgeofthenight
Istanbul Turkey
Member Since: Mar 2008
Member Points: 274

"Yup. I read the note and saw that he listed it as a possibility. Given that it's the strongest possibility by far, I don't see why you'd even bother analyzing the results of the inferior move. 4. ... Be7 pretty much refutes white's 4th move."

 

 i can analyze the line i want.i will not ask about it to you. 


17th June 2008, 05:40am
#14
by KillaBeez
Denver, CO United States
Member Since: Jan 2008
Member Points: 1266
Okay.  Go try playing it in a tournament.  I am sure that your opponent will play the line you want.  He will follow all of the unforcing and not necessarily best moves that you have laid out and will lose in 15 moves.  You sound like Bobby Fischer when he wrote the Bust to the King's Gambit.  "White can play differently, but then he will lose differently."  So are you the next Bobby Fischer???
 

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