Fried Liver Attack :(

15 months ago · Quote · #1
EstebanTunggul

Ok, I am just a newb blitzer (1100), but one thing I hate playing as black is the Fried Liver Attack. My King's horse is always the problem, any suggestions?
15 months ago · Quote · #2
Metastable

There are a lot of videos on youtube explaining how to cope with it - but agreed, until you get a good feel for the board and tactics it can be a problem.
15 months ago · Quote · #3
Vivinski

as always, you'll need that video that starts out with the legendary: Hello everybody I'm Kevin from thechesswebsitedotcom and today we are going to take a look at..........(The fried liver attack)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0ITi9Jc0J-o
15 months ago · Quote · #4
EstebanTunggul

OK, I checked them out. Still getting owned in a few variation of Fried Liver though
15 months ago · Quote · #5
batgirl

fudgeball wrote:

Ok, I am just a newb blitzer (1100), but one thing I hate playing as black is the Fried Liver Attack. My King's horse is always the problem, any suggestions?

...don't play it.
15 months ago · Quote · #6
RoffleMyWafflez
15 months ago · Quote · #7
EstebanTunggul

Wow, nice option select/ variation there roflwaffle. never thought that one.
15 months ago · Quote · #8
ChristianSoldier007

I came here to suggest b5 but you are already talking about it... my job here is done! (although it never started...) :)
15 months ago · Quote · #9
RoffleMyWafflez

Shadowknight911 wrote:

the Ulvestad varation is a decent variation for black, but if White knows how to play Bf1 and doesn't play too wild (i.e. Nxf7) I think White still has a good game. Black does have very good counter-attacking chances if he goes with the variation where the queen ends up at h4.

I think I prefer Be2 actually. And black definitely has compensation.
15 months ago · Quote · #10
Sacrificing

The Ulvestad has (as far as I know) fallen out of favor as white has excellent lines against it, so I think it's a better idea in general to stick with the main line of the Two Knights' Defense where black gets strong compensation. I honestly don't understand why lower rated players play the Two Knights as white- at that level, people are trying to play unsound gambits, why force your opponent to play a sound one?

For the OP, Nxd5? is a clear mistake that almost always leads to a losing game. White can play either the inaccurate Nxf7?! with the Fried Liver attack or play the accurate d4! preparing the sacrifice on f7 which will be decisive.
15 months ago · Quote · #11
hasit

it is my first time i hope you like it ( i couldn't complete-after 10.Kd3,10...Nf2+ losing queen or 10.Ke1 10...Qf2 mate)
15 months ago · Quote · #12
IM pfren

The choice betweeen 6.Kf1 and 6.Kxf2 is totally irrelevant, since White has either 5.Bxf7+! or 5.d4! one move earlier.

On the main line, 8.Qf3 may at best give white a draw, although it's not easy. The old 8.Be2 and the newer 8.Bd3 are more interesting, although for my taste the play after 8.Bd3 is rather too computerized: it lacks chess logic.
15 months ago · Quote · #13
RoffleMyWafflez

pfren wrote:

On the main line, 8.Qf3 may at best give white a draw, although it's not easy. The old 8.Be2 and the newer 8.Bd3 are more interesting, although for my taste the play after 8.Bd3 is rather too computerized: it lacks chess logic.

Someone should have told these guys they were supposed to be playing for a draw!
15 months ago · Quote · #14
IM pfren

Well, my database has 1042 games after 8.Qf3. White has a minus overall score in the main two replies, 8...Rb8 and (especially) 8...Be7. On the latter, White either has to play the clumsy 9.Bd3 (or 9.Nc3 0-0 10.Bd3) or take the second pawn (9.Bxc6+ Nxc6 10.Qxc6+ Bd7 11.Qf3 0-0) and pray...

In general, it's believed that white should hold the draw after taking the second pawn, but in practice it's extremely unpleasant to defend this position (white is too far behind in development), and OTB white's 36.5% says just about everything...

And yeah, someone should have told those guys that they should not be playing for a loss...
15 months ago · Quote · #15
eatingcake

pfren, what do you think of 8...h6, with the idea of 9. Ne4 Nd5 ?
15 months ago · Quote · #16
IM pfren

8...h6 is criticized by some opening authorities as wasting time. Still it's not bad- I feel Black should be OK after 9.Ne4 Nd5 10.Nbc3 cb5 11.Nxd5 Be6 12.Ne3 Rc8.

IMO the other two moves give Black better chances for an advantage.
15 months ago · Quote · #17
RoffleMyWafflez

pfren wrote:

Well, my database has 1042 games after 8.Qf3. White has a minus overall score in the main two replies, 8...Rb8 and (especially) 8...Be7. On the latter, White either has to play the clumsy 9.Bd3 (or 9.Nc3 0-0 10.Bd3) or take the second pawn (9.Bxc6+ Nxc6 10.Qxc6+ Bd7 11.Qf3 0-0) and pray...

In general, it's believed that white should hold the draw after taking the second pawn, but in practice it's extremely unpleasant to defend this position (white is too far behind in development), and OTB white's 36.5% says just about everything...

And yeah, someone should have told those guys that they should not be playing for a loss...

I actually prefer leaving f3 as a retreat square for the knight in that line.
And I don't think statistics are very important. I was just pointing out that the line can't be awful if masters score decently with it. (The database in my pic is chesstempo.com's filtered for 2300 ELO+)