The opening is 1. e4  d5  2.  e5 ...    This looks interesting maybe someone who is smart can tell me why it is bad....yes I know black wins 66% of the time in some lines..  John in China

This is called French isn't it? Mostly black responses with e6 and white with d4.

Well, I'm not a smart person, but in general it's a bad habit to move a piece twice in the opening, let alone a pawn... Also it might become an object of attack because it's so far advanced. I'm speaking out of theory, since I have no experience with it.

Hope it helped.

Wongie.

Well, the idea of pushing the pawn past another that's attacking it is seen also in the Benoni (d4 c5 d5), but I usually just play exd5 and after Qxd5, Nc3.

No, it's sure not French! *

It's just a variation of Scandinavian defence, when white is afraid of meeting the black queen in d5 after 2.exd5 Qxd5

It's up to you, most people take the pawn and chase the Queen afterwards, it is fun! 1. ... d5 maybe it is not fun - however is ... not expected!

*Although it can be transposed to French, Sicilian or Caro-Kann.

i didn't experienced that, but i think is another way to get in the french defence. More probably could be when white doesn't like the scandinavian, but black will surely play e6, because if not e6 can make things difficult for black. In that positionn black can't play Nd7 because of that.

Suppose it looks a bit like the adv. French or the adv. Caro-Kann, but unlike the usual main line of the adv. French (1. e4 e6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 ...) e6 is not yet played and the c8 Bishop isn't shut in, Black has the option to move it before playing e6. And unlike the the main line of the adv. Caro-Kann, c6 is not yet played, so c5 can be played without loss of a tempo.

Making 1.e4 d5 2. e5 a more flexible variation of the two defences, I guess...

After 1 e4 d5 2 e5 Black should play 2...Bf5 like it was a CaroKann.  The advantage for Black is he can still go ...c7-c5 in one move.

This line is favorable for Black. I score 80% in this line as Black.

Kentering> This is called French isn't it? Mostly black responses with e6 and white with d4.

seidel> but black will surely play e6,

Almost, but not quite. 2...e6?! is a mistake leading to a normal French, so Black usually plays 2...Bf5! or 2...c5!, leading to a French Advance where his light-squared bishop is not trapped. I prefer the ...c5 move order because it's flexible--if White plays Nf3 the bishop will be better-placed on g4 than on f5.

David_Grakovsky You say that Black's chance to win is 66% -- well that can be changed if black plays 2.c5

According to Chessbase's 770 games, after 1.e4 d5 2.e5 c5, Black scores a whopping 60%. I will be very happy if more White players take this line up. :)

here u go

Nuts what is that random position black played? Even i won't fail that bad against Kasparov

Nuts

2. e5 Nc6??  Why do you assume Black is clueless?  Never block the c pawn like that, and following it up with e6?  Why not play Bh3 and give the Bishop away since its never going to do anything?

I have to agree with Carl. The "opponent" played like a donkey. I can just imagine the thoughts in his brain.

2. ... Nc6. Wow, I attacked a pawn!

3. ... e6, well, my opponent formed a pawn chain, I should too!

And nuts, why not play 25. Qg7# checkmate, do you just like to watch your opponent squirm?

I like it when white does this. Makes for very easy natural development for black. I usually play c5, nc6, bf5 and e6 in various orders depending on what white does.

Don't worry about being slightly cramped, just play around it and you will soon find yourself in a good position.

c5 is the key.  If you can't reasonably expect to get in c5 (or e5) then it's going to be a long, cramped, painful road to defeat. 

you said for me that i shouldnt block the c pawn with Nc6 ?

i was not black anyway i know i didnt play well just for fun but thanks for the comment

I was saying that basing your system of play as White off of Black's clueless play will lead to innumerable defeats against a Black who knows what he is doing.  Give a sample of opening play where Black doesn't go wrong on move 2. 

1. e4  d5 2. e5 ....  is a typical response at club level.  It is a legitimate line to explore but explore good black responses.  What do you recommend against 2... c5 or Bf5 or e6 or ...

Carl,

I concur with your thoughts.  But I did a quick check in the master database and found a surprising number of games where Black followed up with Nc6?  I think it's a mistake, as both c5 and Bf5 score huge for black.  I also noticed that the position following 1. e4 d5 2. e5? Nc6? 3. d4 e6? also had a number of interesting games.  But it looks like that position is reached a different way (1. e4 Nc6 2. d4 d5 3. e5 e6).  Still, at least some folks out there think its playable to bury both the c pawn and the bishop.  Maybe if you know what your doing and love static positional games?

My thoughts on this opening for white . . . seems like these odd moves are always advocated to throw your oppoent off rythm and out of book.  But where there is a powerful response (like c5 or Bf5) that is not hard to find, why bother?  There has to be other ways to direct the opening down a less-used line without handing the initiative over to black and giving black an easy game from move 2.

ratkins> But I did a quick check in the master database and found a surprising number of games where Black followed up with Nc6?

Black plays ...Bf5 / ...c5 in 75% of games and ...Nc6 / ...e6 in 17% of games. The average elo of ...Nc6 players is 1300, vs 2000 for ...c5 players.

ratkins> My thoughts on this opening for white . . . seems like these odd moves are always advocated to throw your oppoent off rythm and out of book.  But where there is a powerful response (like c5 or Bf5) that is not hard to find, why bother?

Good summary. This is one of the most common sidelines played by lower-rated amateurs, so Black's rarely surprised and usually prepared. There's alot of room for creativity in the Scandinavian if White puts in a little effort. A couple days ago I faced 1.e4 d5 2.exd5 Qxd5 3.d4 Nf6 4.c4!? for the first time, which at least scores 53% and takes Black out-of-book. Like many sidelines, it's still not quite sound and there are counters.

Nuts post the game,I think at the beginning of the game,white seems can be won.For,2...Nc6,and he choose to form French,however,in French,if one do not advance c5 to attck the center(this is the knight blocking the c pawn.) ,I think black will be in bad situation after few moves.

But black reply 2...d4,If this is ok?For this move can prevent white d4 pawn adcance,and plan continue to 3...c5.   Would anyone like analyse this variation ?