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How do you punish White for this early Queen aggression?


  • 5 months ago · Quote · #1

    chessoholicalien

    Does anyone have any input?

     

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #2

    Bubatz

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #3

    chessoholicalien

    vielen Dank!

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #4

    ZucchiniMann

    Instead of 3. ... d5, play 3. ... g6.

    If 4. Qf3 (attacking again the weakness) then 4. ... Nf6 (developing move and covering f7) and on 5. Qb3 (again attacking f7), you probably can play 5. ... Nd4! (because on 6. Bxf7+ Ke7, white should lose something).

    Let me put it in a diagram:

     

    Edit: Sorry Bubatz, didn't notice that you said exactly the same thing in the other thread!
  • 5 months ago · Quote · #5

    Wouter_Remmerswaal

    If you are more of an attacking player there is also another option:

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #6

    chessoholicalien

    thank you!

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #7

    ChessisGood

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #8

    BlueKnightShade

    An early queen development is normally a bad idea, but there can be exceptions. Maybe white's 2. Qh5 isn't the best, but it is sometimes played by GM Hikaru Nakamura. He considers that it is a playable move:

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parham_Attack

    Here is a simple way to play as black:

    http://www.rockfordchess.org/instruction/minilessons/Opening%20Trap%20-%201.e4%20e5%202.Qh5.pdf

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #9

    Loomis

    BlueKnightShade wrote:

    it is sometimes played by GM Hikaru Nakamura. He considers that it is a playable move


    I think this should be past tense, It was played by Nakamura. In a few games, five years ago. He had some fun with it, but that's it. 

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #10

    AnthonyCG

    I always liked 4...f5.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #11

    BlueKnightShade

    Loomis wrote:
    BlueKnightShade wrote:

    it is sometimes played by GM Hikaru Nakamura. He considers that it is a playable move


    I think this should be past tense, It was played by Nakamura. In a few games, five years ago. He had some fun with it, but that's it. 


    It has also been played by other very strong chess players: http://www.365chess.com/opening.php?m=4&n=332&ms=e4.e5.Qh5

    My point is not claiming it is a good move. My point is that it is not that bad, meaning you can't just punish white and get a winning position because of that. So the answer to the question of this topic "How do you punish White for this early Queen aggression?" is just play sound moves and you are OK: 1.e4 e5 2.Qh5 Nc6 3.Bc4 g6 4.Qf3 Nf6 is a sound and simple black answer. But you haven't really punished white, you have just defended the threats with good sound developing moves and your position is certainly OK, but the winner is definitely not settled at this point.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #12

    Bubatz

    RoseQueen1985 wrote:
    ^ that's what Fritz plays.

    That made me curious so I checked it with Fritz 13. He thinks (at 22 ply) that after 4...f5 the position is equal, whereas he gives Black an advantage of -0,29 for the bookish 4...Nf6.

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #13

    Bubatz

    BlueKnightShade wrote:
    Loomis wrote:
    BlueKnightShade wrote:

    it is sometimes played by GM Hikaru Nakamura. He considers that it is a playable move


    I think this should be past tense, It was played by Nakamura. In a few games, five years ago. He had some fun with it, but that's it. 


    It has also been played by other very strong chess players: http://www.365chess.com/opening.php?m=4&n=332&ms=e4.e5.Qh5

    My point is not claiming it is a good move. My point is that it is not that bad, meaning you can't just punish white and get a winning position because of that. So the answer to the question of this topic "How do you punish White for this early Queen aggression?" is just play sound moves and you are OK: 1.e4 e5 2.Qh5 Nc6 3.Bc4 g6 4.Qf3 Nf6 is a sound and simple black answer. But you haven't really punished white, you have just defended the threats with good sound developing moves and your position is certainly OK, but the winner is definitely not settled at this point.


    Black having more than equalised after 4...Nf6 should be enough punishment. (Not to mention that after the common 5. Qb3 or 5.g4 White is already lost.)

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #14

    BlueKnightShade

    Is 5. Qb3 or 5.g4common?  Isn't 5.Ne2 common?

  • 5 months ago · Quote · #15

    Bubatz

    BlueKnightShade wrote:

    Is 5. Qb3 or 5.g4common?  Isn't 5.Ne2 common?


    5.Ne2 is best for White, bot common among the majority of those who really play 2.Qh5 on the amateur shark level seem to be those other two moves. I guess it's because they try to hang on to their kingside attack at all costs.


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