I have played against this defence as white probably 30 times in recent years.. and I think I have about 29 loses and one draw.  (I once played a 60 move game to fight for a draw).

 

Even if the guy is rated hundreds of points lower, I just can not seem to ever find a way to get any kind of advantage. I always build up a nice center, of course, but nothing ever comes of it. I am tired of losing to this opening (yes I do hate.. HATE.. playing against it :) I generally play 1.e4 as white, so I play alot of Ruy Lopez/Sicilian games as white, and I generally do very well against black in these games.

 

So, I'd appreciate some advice from someone who has had success against this opening as white. And no I don't feel like posting a game. I try to limit the amount of times I embarass myself in public.

 

i'll do my best :)

thing is, pirc players are always booked out to the teeth because they play this uber-sharp opening that requires precision. in my opinion you have 2 ways to counter this:

#1 play quietly with a king's indian attack and aim for an equal but less edgy middlegame.

#2 pick one line and study the monkeys out of it!

Yeah, I've never really tried a king's indian against it. I'll look into it. I really rarely encounter this defence, but when I do it always makes me so mad to see it, because I almost invariably lose to hypermodern defences like the Modern and Pirc. I always want to punish them for their seemingly inferior position (although it isn't of course.. but it looks like it should be to me :) Hypermodern is just not my style at all so I don't like playing it, and I HATE losing to it :)

The Pirc defence is my favourite. I have won many games using this defence. It has the capability of transforming into different openings depending on what White plays. I agree with erik that to play the Pirc means to be ultra sharp in the opening. But the resultant middle game can be pretty open which suits certain styles of play.

There is a way to play against the Pirc called the '150 Attack'. You play e4, d4, Nc3, Be3, Qd2, Nf3, Bd3. So pieces are developed, centre protected, easy to remember so far as Black probably won't have done anything to disturb you. Now you castle Queenside, Play Bh6, take the Black Bishop on g7, play h4, h5, hxg, opening the h gile for your rook, Play Qh6 and then it's mate. Easy!

Err, ok, so Black gets some moves too, and it's not that easy (otherwise nobody would play the Pirc), but you've got a plan, and unless Black has you can win almost as easy as this. So Black will come at you with moves like e5 or c5 or c6/b5/b4 to attack your King, but you've got a good position to play from in any case. 

 

 

 

anyone have any good PIRC games? i'm thinking of re-adopting this line as black...

I'm into the middle of a Pirc game (as white) at the moment. Looking at the theory now, it seems I should have played Nc3 instead of Nf3, but apart from that it seems pretty equal to me so far.

 

Usually I try to restrict black's space slowly with piece maneouvering and careful pawn advances. I've found that being too intrepid can result in white coming unstuck pretty easily when his attacks crash against black's defensive walls.

I would advise you to get GM Lev Albert's book call Pirc Alert!! Awesome book to help you play Pirc Defense or to Defend against it!!

Andy, 

 

 The Austrian Attack is best.  Keep Black cramped.  Play out your KBP .     

 4.f4 is the call.  Keep Black cramped, but don't over extend.  This should give you space and initiative in the long run.  You should win on move 60. 

The pirc defense is the defence i play against 1. e4 (and on occasion even 1.d4).  In my opinion, the austrian attack does not give White a good advantage.  In these lines I am often able to find good counterplay against White's center.  Also, you should be aware about a couple things in the 150 attack.  Black (or when I play black), when facing the 150 attack, does not follow the basic Bg7, 0-0 build.  Instead, I stay uncastled so I don't waste a tempo when White's bishop on e3 tries to trade off dark square bishops.  This often frustrates players of the 150 attack who often play overly agressive to prove my king is unsafe in the center (when they become overextended to accurate defense.)

I might recommend 1. e4 d6 2. d4 Nf6 3. f3 With the idea of playing c4 and Nc3 to transpose to a Kings Indian Saemish.  You will get a strong center and a nice attack and if the pirc player doesn't know what he is doing he will be in trouble.

Realize that a Pirc game is going to be fundamentally different than your normal e4 games.  It is more akin to a d4 game and thus has different considerations.  You're not going to get many tactical shots unless you slowly displace black and then blast open his redoubt.

When I was rated 1450 (a few months ago) I drew a 2096 after some time pressure mistakes in a winning ending. I played the g3 system against his pirc. The bishop goes to g2, the knight goes to e2, castle kingside, and build up w/ h3, g4 (knight comes to g3 after g4), aand f4.  My opponent even said to me after the game that he wasn't sure what the correct moves for black were. Black should be okay if he knows what to do, but it is tricky for both sides.