would 2. blacks second move is not e-6 folowed by 3. bg-7.iit is c-5 for black gambitting the pawn.that is how to start against the tromp!!

show us some lines!

1. d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 c5 is one of many options black has on this move and seems to avoid a lot of stuff that causes black to learn a lot of theory.

2. c-5 for black is the way to go!!!.

the tromp starting out by either chris ward or richard palliser is out in june 2008.

I'm happy with 1. d4 Nf6 2. Bg5 e6

Refutation of the Trompowsky: 1. d4 e6! 

2...c5 loses the pawn:

3.dxc

If Black brings out the Queen:

3...Qa5

you get this: 

4.Nc3 d6

5.e4 dxe

6.b4 

and Black has problems. White has a mate threat Qd8 and is threatening the Black queen. Black only has one move:

6...Qc7

7.Nb5 Qd7

8.Qxd7 Kxd7

9.0-0-0+

and Black looks even worse

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks to MJShark for this line:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_QNvo0RBugs&feature=related

Play 8...Bxd7, not 8...Kxd7.

jonloop the suggested 2...c5 by tbirdtird is against the line 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 c5 not 1.d4 d5 2.Bg5 c5.

 

duskwalker wrote: Play 8...Bxd7, not 8...Kxd7.

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Graw81 wrote:

jonloop the suggested 2...c5 by tbirdtird is against the line 1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 c5 not 1.d4 d5 2.Bg5 c5.

 

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 Ah, my apologies!

Patzer24>  Refutation of the Trompowsky: 1. d4 e6! 

lol. Only for folks comfortable playing the Black side of the French! The rest have to suffer through the full-blown Trompowsky. ;)

Does anyone have books that cover the Trompowsky? I'm really curious what various books say and recommend after reaching the position:

1.d4 Nf6 2.Bg5 e6 3.e4 h6 4.Bxf6 Qxf6

Where White controls the center but Black has the bishop pair. 

I have three questions:

1. After c5, what do I reply after d5?

2. After c5, what do I reply after dxc5?

3. Why is taking with the g-pawn better and not the e-pawn?

Hope you can answer soon! Thank you very much!

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I can only address the last of the 3, and will do so by saying taking with the g-pawn is not necessarily better.  Indeed in a simul as Black against Yermolinsky's Torre attack (cousin to the Trompowsky) in the 90s, I got a fantastic game taking back with the e pawn.  I castled kingside behind those four pawns and controlled the Qside with my pieces particularly ...Be6 (since my pawn on f6 prevents Ng5) and ...Nbd7-b6.  The black bishop has the option of going to e7, d6 or b4.  I got down to a knight and pawn ending by move 25 against Yermo before blowing it :(

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1.Qb6

2.Na6

3.Captures toward the center, rook can go to g-file to pressure the kingside, bishop can come to a6 to pressure the weak queenside dark squares.

How about this for beating the Trompowsky?

 

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Can you offer an explanantion on how Qb6 can rectify the situation? How does it help? Does it dispose of the d5 pawn? Or does it create positional weaknesses for White? Or what?

And doesn't Na6 brings Black's Knight to a disadvantageous square? Isn't Ne4 or Qa5+ and then taking the d5 pawn much better? Why is Na6 better?

I hope you can reply soon. Thank you!

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White is better after 5. f3 Nf6 6. e4.